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Two things:
1. Been in hospital for major operation, performed by utterly brilliant team of 12, only one of whom was British, led by Spanish anaesthetists and uber cool 30 year old black French surgeon indistinguishable from Bob Marley, radiating competence, humour and leadership.

2. Out now and OK, watching lunchtime telly and a succession of street interviews in Dudley Market, absolutely wreaking of naked, vile racism and calls for Brexit to happen asap.

Fuck 'em all. And no, that's not the medication talking.

nigelswift wrote:
Two things:
1. Been in hospital for major operation, performed by utterly brilliant team of 12, only one of whom was British, led by Spanish anaesthetists and uber cool 30 year old black French surgeon indistinguishable from Bob Marley, radiating competence, humour and leadership.

2. Out now and OK, watching lunchtime telly and a succession of street interviews in Dudley Market, absolutely wreaking of naked, vile racism and calls for Brexit to happen asap.

Fuck 'em all. And no, that's not the medication talking.

Hi Nigel, sounds like you had a good, positive experience in the hospital. Brexit aside, I hope you are back on your feet in time to see the bluebells. Wishing you a very speedy recovery.
J x

Sorry to hear you've been ill Nigel, hope you're on the mend. At least we are finally getting some cheery weather and nature is re-envigorated.

My views on Brexit remain unchanged, you'll be shocked to hear.

I'm sorry you've been unwell, but really what you are trying to do is the same method the Nazis used in the 1930s. The way people constantly link Brexit to racism is 1984 style brainwashing. I voted for Brexit, and I have been in a mixed race relationship for 20 years. We both want a proper Brexit. The EU is a capitalist club which when it doesn't work takes it out on the working class poor (see Greece/Spain/Ireland).
Does looking like a cool Bob Marley make you a better surgeon? No, and that's inverse recism. What's wrong with English people? Do you think the people of Dudley are more racist that those of Rome who attack every English supporter that visits their city?

You hate your own country but love everyone else.

Have just noticed your post. Hope you are firmly on the mend. x

I continue to listen to the daily news (probably against the benefit of my health) and can safely say that no-one at all - politicians that is - knows what the hell is going to happen come Brexit. We're even being told xy and z are "what the public voted for". Hah how short do you think our memories are. Most people don't even have a reason they voted Brexit that would take longer than 10 seconds to explain. It's like watching one of those youtube videos where you can see something awful and but clearly predictable about to happen. As for accusations that those who wanted to keep the status quo hate their own country, that's just about as illogical as it gets. never mind. the world's gone mad.

Can confirm the bluebells are great, June :) and the wild garlic.

At least your country didn't just vote to hand over devolved powers back to westminster by siding with the tories and ukip!

LSE Brexit
?Verified account @lsebrexitvote
Fishermen Say They Were Misled About Brexit

James O'Brien
?Verified account @mrjamesob
James O'Brien Retweeted LSE Brexit
That’s it then. Just the racists, spivs, disaster capitalists & pantomime toffs left cheering for it now.
And a few decent people still understandably struggling to admit the scale of the con they fell victim to.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44462829

Barnier: "on the 30 March the UK will be automatically withdrawing from 750 international agreements, Euratom, Europol, the European Defence Agency, and trade agreements. This is irreversible even if there is a 21 month transition period."

What with the leave campaign having broken the law I'm astonished and bloody disgusted that this isn't a major issue in parliament within the tories and so-called labour govt.

What's being pursued here is a blind ideology that's based on an illegal act. The need for a second referendum would seriously be implied here to correct this!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/19/tory-whip-julian-smith-urged-to-explain-pairing-breach-that-caused-serious-damage

Have you seen this, surely he hasn't got a leg to stand on. Brandon Lewis should abstain from voting at the moment (under the 'pairing agreement') because his opposite number is off on maternity leave. He abstained from the first six votes about the trade bill, but then voted on the last two ("the most contentious", on staying in the customs union if the UK fails to agree a trade deal with the EU, and on EU medicines regulation, both votes being super tight). So he remembered about it to begin with but then forgot? yeah right perhaps he thought no one would notice

it doesn't help your flagging faith in the parliamentary system does it

Robert Harris
? @Robert___Harris

Honda at Swindon receives 2m components per day thanks to free movement of goods. After a no deal Brexit, to store the minimum 9 days' worth of components on site, they would need to erect the 3rd-largest building on Earth: 300,000 sq m = 42 football pitches. (source: FT 26.6.18)

Tweet of the week by Danny

Jacob Rees-Mogg
Today's aggressive comments by Messrs Varadkar and Barnier show why we are right to be leaving the mafia-like European Union.

Danny Blanchflower Retweeted Jacob Rees-Mogg
You are a bloody crackpot

As predicted, from now on we're going to hear the whole bloody mess isn't due to Brexiters it's due to Europe's failure to co-operate

"The people who have least will be hurt most"
- John Major, this morning (a decent man whose a relic from the time when Tories told fewer bare faced lies).

Britain will suffer more than Europe in no deal scenario says IMF. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-no-deal-uk-economy-suffer-more-eu-imf-warning-a8454916.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1532012179
There's RAAB's first and only negotiating weapon strangled at birth.

"A very sad day for me as I watched my father, a proud man, saying sorry to his grandchildren after finally realising what his vote for Brexit will do to them."

Someone doesn't like me posting stuff repeatedly on here. Can't think why.

"Brexit progress report:

“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history"
- Liam Fox, 20/7/17

"We will make sure there's adequate food supplies"
- Dominic Raab, 24/7/18,

To continue my obsessive bulletins:


Alastair Campbell
?Verified account @campbellclaret
Who knew? No deal Brexit means no food Brexit and no medicines Brexit? Didn’t see that on the side of a fucking red bus did we?

I like succinctness, it obviates aggressive or diversionary responses....


David Lammy
?Verified account @DavidLammy
3h3 hours ago

Why the gov's "will of the people" Brexit mantra is bollocks:

1. Vote Leave cheated.
2. It was based on lies e.g. £350m for NHS.
3. Only 37% of the electorate voted for it.
4. Scotland & London voted against.
5. 69% say Brexit is going badly.
6. Public supports a #PeoplesVote.

While he knowingly lied about the EU ref, knowingly mislead parliament and now conspiring with a foreign media company to undermine the stability of the country.

Aren’t we on the verge of treason here?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lesterfeder/boris-johnson-steve-bannon

Edward Luce
?Verified account @EdwardGLuce
22h22 hours ago

Increasingly clear that if U.K. can somehow reverse Brexit, it would be hammer blow to western populist-nationalism in general. Not just Britain’s future at stake.

J.K. Rowling liked.

Me too!

In the referendum, just over 70% of 18-24s voted Remain.

Now 82% of 18-24s support staying a member of the EU.

The first sign of what we all knew. Tory environmental safeguards post Brexit will be far weaker. http://rtpi.org.uk/briefing-room/news-releases/2018/july/rtpi-proposal-for-post-brexit-environmental-watchdog-fundamentally-flawed/

STRONG AND STABLE.

STRONG. AND. STABLE...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/treasury-shifts-cash-into-euros-ahead-of-brexit-kjmjzbx7r

G x

A little noted but nasty bit of Brexitism ....

The Return of Cultural Objects (Revocation) Regulations 2018

This instrument will revoke the domestic regulations which implement EU Directive 2014/60, relating to the return of cultural objects unlawfully removed from the territory of EU Member States, so avoiding a one-sided obligation upon the UK to return cultural objects, in the event of 'no deal' with the EU upon exit.

Conservative HQ has barred the Conservatives for a People’s Vote campaign from publishing an entry in the official party programme for October’s conference in Birmingham.

Like hundreds of other organisations who are holding meetings at this year’s conference they submitted an entry in the programme, together with the necessary “non-refundable” payment for £360. The entry was submitted well before the deadline, and the group say the party still has their money.

Conservative HQ confirmed to Channel 4 News that they had rejected the entry from Conservatives for a People’s Vote, but they refused to explain why. “We don’t have to give a reason,” a spokesman told us, “and we are not giving one.”

We piss £440 million a week down the toilet: let’s fund our #NHS instead”

There's clearly no plus side to this brexit farce. There's two choices for any political with a backbone or a brain (or both) that's revoke Article 50 or allow the People's Vote. Sadly we don't have any party leaders in Westminster with backbones and brains.

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-dividend-leave-vote-wipes-440-million-a-week-from-economy-2018-6?r=UK&IR=T

Two steps forward for the pro-Brexiters sadly. The scallop war and the renewed Greek calls for return of the Marbles will surely both be used by Farage and co to stir anti Europe sentiment. Hands off our Marbles and Scallops is a much stronger message in the Daily Mail than May's refusal to answer "Will we be poorer".

Trump leaked statement:
Any potential trade deal with Canada would be “totally on our terms,”

Another day another blow
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/02/britain-loses-medicines-contracts-as-eu-body-anticipates-brexit

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=stroud+brexometer&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvgZu96q7dAhVHZlAKHafACecQ_AUIECgD&biw=911&bih=409#imgrc=7K-TSv30lnYVZM:

New York has replaced London as the world’s top financial center as Brexit saps the confidence of U.K. industry professionals, according to a survey.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-12/new-york-topples-brexit-hit-london-as-top-financial-center?utm_content=brexit&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cmpid%3D=socialflow-facebook-brexit

‘Make a success of no deal just as we make a success of a good deal’

That's our Prime Minister talking. About a major shrinkage in our economy.

Brian Cox
?Verified account @ProfBrianCox
16m16 minutes ago

Landed back in London in a good mood, and then I read this shit - ‘Do it my way or I’ll smash the country up.’ Parliament has truly taken leave of its senses if it allows this to continue. It’s a mass psychosis.

An archaeologist on Twitter hits the spot:

"Listening to EU politicians, it strikes me that England is the toddler of Europe."

James O'Brien
?Verified account @mrjamesob

It's a straight choice now between admitting that they were wrong about almost everything or doubling down on the nonsense that the EU has been anything other than consistent & transparent throughout. Very hard to admit that your entire career was built on jingoistic ignorance.
_________________________________

Not just politicians, eh?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/24/uk-eu-flights-would-cease-immediately-in-event-of-no-deal-brexit

G x

David Baddiel
?Verified account @Baddiel

People say that another vote on Brexit would not respect the result of the 2017 referendum, but then again, the result of the 2017 referendum did not respect the result of the 1975 referendum.

As I've always claimed (and got criticised for) it was the racism what swung it for Brexit. Boris knows that.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/30/spend-foreign-aid-budget-british-peoples-priorities-save-elephants/

I suspect it's not going to happen. There's talk that the EU will find a way to extend Article 50 until the end of May (when the EU parliamentary elections are held). But it's less to do with extending negotiations as it is about giving the UK enough time to hold a second referendum.

It's becoming apparent that -- no matter what deal Theresa May brings back from Brussels -- in all likelihood it will fail to pass the required UK parliamentary vote. That's purely down to the current state of UK politics and the "confidence & supply" agreement with the DUP. And while it's not guaranteed of course, the EU are aware there's a high chance of the UK having a General Election, a Tory Leadership contest, or a 2nd referendum (maybe all three!) in the next few months... and nobody wants to see the UK crash out with no deal just because internal tory chaos leaves the country without an effective government.

Extending Article 50 beyond May will present all sorts of legal challenges, but an extra couple of months should be enough for a change of government in Westminster and another referendum to cancel the whole thing. That's the thinking anyway.

The only alternatives at this stage are an almighty fudge or a crash out. In the fudge; the UK essentially remains a member in everything but name, staying within the jurisdiction of the ECJ and retaining access to the Customs Union (but without any say in how they're run and no representation at EU level). Oddly enough this would be acceptable to the DUP as it would prevent a differentiation between Northern Ireland and GB, but would not be acceptable to the tory right.

A crash out would be an unmitigated disaster. The vast majority of people now understand this. If it happens, it'll be by mistake I think.

Andrea Jenkyns MP #StandUp4Brexit (@andreajenkyns) · Twitter
https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns


It is better to go down fighting and honouring the democratic decision of our British people. Then to be long remembered for waving a white flag and surrendering to EU demands. All Brexiteers in Gov and on the backbenches its time to #StandUp4Brexit and finally #ChuckChequers.

So you're not keen on Brexit then?

"Jacob Rees-Mogg Admits There Would Be "Transition Issues" After No-Deal Brexit"

That's "transition issues".

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/special-shows/ring-rees-mogg/jacob-rees-mogg-transition-issues-no-deal-brexit/

G x

Prof Brian Cox:

‘There is by definition no way of being outside of the institutions that abolish borders without creating borders.‘

Jeremy Corbyn
?Verified account @jeremycorbyn
Oct 20

Twenty years ago I was proud to join the campaign to extradite Pinochet for his crimes against the people of Chile.

Today I am in Geneva meeting Michelle Bachelet who was imprisoned and tortured by Pinochet's regime. She later became the first woman President of Chile.

This is the second time calamity corbyn's done a boris on the day the People's Vote marched in London. Yesterday was the second largest march in uk history and he's buggered off on a jolly! Suffice to say he's lost even more support from Labour members, judging by the comments on his post yesterday.

Would be lovely if we had some opposition to all this from the actual opposition party!

Bryan Smith
? @BpsmithUk

Hands up how many people knew UK Govt was consulting publically on the future Trade Agreement with the USA?
Now hands up everyone who knew it closes tomorrow?
Fill in their online survey here & have YOUR say on chlorinated chicken,
https://consultations.trade.gov.uk/policy/consultation-on-trade-negotiations-with-the-us/

EVERY Labour held constituency now has majority support for a People's Vote

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-11-02/voters-in-every-labour-held-constituency-support-a-peoples-vote-on-brexit/

Andrew Adonis
?Verified account @Andrew_Adonis
6h6 hours ago

Utterly pathetic that most Labour MSPs abstained on a people’s vote in the Scottish Parliament yesterday. What are they going to tell their grandchildren about Brexit - ‘I abstained’

Larry the Cat
? @Number10cat
11h11 hours ago

Just had a sneaky look at the #BrexitDeal - hope none of you are too attached to the Crown Jewels. Or Cornwall. #kitileaks

Crumbs! "The problem with U-know is the one-sideness of the issues, Brexit till we are all sick of it, and then fox-hunting as the ultimate cruelty, when there are other issues of absolute cruelty"

I have a personal hatred of Brexit as it will make so many people poorer and I have a particular dislike of fox hunting cruelty as it's so deliberate. So I guess I'll continue to go on about it here ad some people's nauseam and others are welcome to go on about other stuff as long as they like. It's a free forum, hurrah, not a controlled one......

Theresa May Verified account @theresa_may

This isn’t about party politics, this is about what matters for this country, it is about what is in the national interest, that’s what I’m determined to deliver. A deal that’s good for the people of this country.

Max @SpillerOfTea

This arsegaping clusterfuck only popped into existence as a result of your predecessor’s attempts to quell the petty ideological infighting between the various shades of bastard in your party, you disingenuous shitflake.

I realise there's a lot of UK folks have a deep-rooted problem with immigration (something Brexit really threw into sharp-relief).

But even those of you for whom that's the case, you must admit that Theresa May's constant (and clearly triumphalist) bragging about how she is "finally ending Freedom of Movement" and preventing EU citizens "jumping the queue" is just plain horrible.

I'm trying to imagine the reaction of the British media (and indeed the 52%) if Donald Tusk and Claude Juncker were to hold regular press-conferences in which, grinning, they delightedly assured the people of Europe than we can now relax having ended Freedom of Movement for the British on our continent. Imagine them sneering at British "queue-jumpers" retired in Spain (or just working hard in Germany).

The UK would *rightly* be appalled at that kind of attitude.

In need of levity, this made me laugh several times (I particularly enjoyed the war with Spain bit):

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/23/brexit-advent-political-hellscape-war-with-spain

Just when you think the depths of the dystopian hell that is Britain 2018 have been sufficiently plumbed, the Bank of England announces that the Evil Queen is a potential candidate to appear on a 50 quid note.

The only relief is that at least they haven't yet reanimated her corpse to take over as eternal dictator, but given the current dearth of political talent on both sides of the House, maybe that day is getting closer.

‘Is every scenario likely to have a detrimental effect on GDP?’ Chancellor - ‘yes’ BUT there are other advantages to Brexit other than that.

How terrible. He's a millionaire. When the bottom 30% have fewer jobs and lower standards of living are they REALLY going to think it's all been worth it because rich Tories now have more "control"?

https://heritageaction.wordpress.com/2018/11/30/a-worrying-week-for-heritage/

Pete M
? @fastcarspete
9h9 hours ago

Pete M Retweeted Yvette Cooper

Imagine. If @YvetteCooperMP had won the Labour leadership contest things would be very different. Labour would have a leader, Brexit would be very very dead, and nobody would be stealing our Freedom of Movement.

Keir Starmer says a 3 way referendum - No Deal, May, Remain is too risky as No Deal might win. So he wants the latter two. Gina Miller wants all three as it would stop the Brexiters calling foul.

Wouldn't the latter be also good decause the non-remain vote would be split, increasing the chances of Remain winning?

I'm sure that calculation has also been made by all concerned. It'll be interesting to see what happens if a 2nd referendum comes closer, Brexiters will be pushing for a referendum without more than 2 choices..... but which two? It's hell for them, no wonder they're so keen not to have a second ref.

Two important updates:

- The government has lost the vote on whether it is in contempt of parliament for not publishing the legal advice it received from the Attorney General. They must now published (due tomorrow).

- The Advocate General to the European Court of Justice has given his view that the UK can unilaterally withdraw Article 50 without needing the agreement of the EU27. It is likely that the ECJ will follow this when it delivers its judgement on the matter.

"Some people say take No Deal off the table but the only way to do that is to have A deal".

Nope.

European Court says we CAN withdraw unilaterally. (The UK Government opposed it of course).

My best scenario would be cancelling. And once we have, Europe presenting us with a bill for all the needless expense 27 other countries have been put to.

Fair's fair.

As expected, the ECJ has ruled that the UK can unilaterally withdraw the Article 50 notification.

And Theresa May, who said the public don't want delay and uncertainty mere days ago, has now cancelled tomorrow's Parliamentary vote on her deal, knowing that she was heading for a heave defeat.

She is now barely clinging on by her nails.

The European Parliament approves an accord with Japan that has been dubbed the world's biggest trade deal, covering economies that represent a third of the world's GDP,,,,,,

Europe signs the world's biggest trade deal with Japan and Fox says ....

"I welcome the approval of the EU-Japan economic partnership agreement yesterday, which could boost UK GDP by up to £3bn in the long run. Japan is a vocal defender of free trade and this agreement will form the basis of our new, stronger trading relationship as we leave the EU."

Daniel Hannan MEP: “It is now looking like any second referendum will be rigged against Leavers and I don’t see we have any option other than to organise a mass boycott.” Would you boycott a second vote on Brexit?"

Of course we would Daniel.

;)

That's finally it.
Corbyn can go to hell so far as I'm concerned.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/21/jeremy-corbyn-labour-policy-leaving-eu?__twitter_impression=true

London says bollocks to Brexit - right opposite parliament
https://bollocks2brexit.wordpress.com/2019/01/01/london-new-year-fireworks-pull-an-absolute-remain-blinder/

Bloomberg:
"Running down the clock to Brexit day may be a useful negotiating device for Prime Minister Theresa May. But as politicians play a slow game, time is actually running out for business. Whatever happens now in Parliament, plenty of economic damage has already been done — some of it irreversible."

nigelswift wrote:
Two things:
1. Been in hospital for major operation, performed by utterly brilliant team of 12, only one of whom was British, led by Spanish anaesthetists and uber cool 30 year old black French surgeon indistinguishable from Bob Marley, radiating competence, humour and leadership.

2. Out now and OK, watching lunchtime telly and a succession of street interviews in Dudley Market, absolutely wreaking of naked, vile racism and calls for Brexit to happen asap.

Fuck 'em all. And no, that's not the medication talking.

"Dudley Market"((((shudder))))) not been there for years, and I only live down the road.

Having accidentally voted to be poorer, 20 Labour leave constituencies are being bribed with Government money not to change their minds now things are clearer. I really hope they have the sense to see it as a con that will last only as long as it's needed - by the Tories.

One thing you'd have to say about the PM: she has total contempt for the North. Finally, Maggie walks amongst us once again.

Nissan just announced they won't be building their new X Trail in Sunderland after all. Not surprising given the new EU-Japan trade deal that the UK won't be part of.

Still, it's just Project Fear and the leavers "knew what they were voting for". Ah, the sweet taste of freedom.

Farmers Weekly
? @FarmersWeekly

US farmers lobbying hard for chlorinated chicken and hormone-treated beef to be included in #Brexit trade deals. Defra ministers insist there won't be any dilution of UK standards. But can we trust them?

;)

Earlier in this thread I suggested that those who voted Leave had done something actually "wrong". I realise that may not sit well with some people, so I want to set up a very brief thought-experiment...

Imagine the people of Ireland held a referendum. Obviously it's a separate state, so British people would not be eligible to vote.

But imagine the outcome of the referendum nonetheless had a MAJOR impact on the UK. Imagine this decision, made by a narrow majority of the Irish electorate, resulted in a significant hit to the British economy. It resulted in job losses, people being fearful for their livelihoods, people uprooting families, real damage to British people who had no part in that decision.

Imagine serious, intelligent, knowledgeable people warning that further down the line, this decision by the people of Ireland could very well result in social unrest, violence, bombings and murders on the streets of the UK.

Now that you've imagined all that, I want you to tell me, hand-on-heart, that the people of Britain would not be utterly outraged at the temerity of the Irish inflicting this damage on them.

Tell me they'd be insisting that "the will of the Irish people" be respected even if it damages us in Britain. tell me all about how sacrosanct democracy is... even when many of those affected by a vote are ignored, marginalised and silenced.

You want to know what I think... I think the British people would be outraged and furious. I think The Sun would be suggesting that the Irish decision was an act of hostility not unlike Republican terrorism; and the Daily Mail and its millions of readers would be demanding Theresa May send in the troops and launch airstrikes against Dublin.

What happened in June 2016 to change the graph so dramatically?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BubNy5iBau2/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1wdjaemrq93ra

The EU is a “museum of agriculture”, the US ambassador to Britain has said, as he urged the UK to embrace American farming methods to seal a transatlantic trade deal.

Writing in The Telegraph, Woody Johnson says US practices such as chlorine-washing chicken and feeding growth hormones to cattle are “the future of farming” while the EU’s “traditionalist approach” belongs in the past.

Brummy lorry driver to me, yesterday:
"Why did you vote Remain? No-one round my way did. We need to get rid of the immigrants NOW. They've ruined this country"

If Cameron had spoken to that bloke he'd never have risked a referendum.

Not that some immigrants have helped. A petition by 400 parents in a Muslim area of Brum has just resulted in lessons on LGBT being withdrawn.

Fuck religion.

Good morning.

James Forsyth in The Sun:

"Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, is telling the UK that if it doesn’t like the backstop, it can have a Northern Ireland-only version of it — which the UK has already rejected. One minister fully briefed on the negotiations tells me: “We’re at ‘what the hell do we do?’ time. But without a change to the backstop, Theresa May’s deal is going down to another heavy defeat on Tuesday."


That won’t be the end of the matter, though. For the very next day Parliament will vote against leaving on March 29 with No Deal. Parliament will then almost certainly vote to request an extension to Article 50, the two-year process for leaving the EU. At this moment, the UK would be in the EU’s hands. As one weary No10 source admits: “They’d be in a position of being able to dictate terms.”

It would be up to the EU to decide whether to grant an extension, how long it would be for and what conditions would be attached to it. How humiliating: This country’s future would be being determined in Brussels, not Westminster."

That'll do nicely.

EU Medicines Agency
? @EMA_News

"Today we are closing our London offices after almost a quarter of a century. Thank you, London for being such a gracious host!"

(Leaving the road clear for the adoption of US standards).

David Lammy
?Verified account @DavidLammy
11m11 minutes ago

275 financial firms moving £1.2 trillion in assets from the UK to the EU. It will mean a 1% cut in UK government tax receipts.

Trying to put my muddy thoughts in order.

1. I voted Remain, and will do so again if the opportunity arises.

2. Theresa May claims that public opinion has not changed. Caroline Lucas claims otherwise.

3. Given how close the result was, it really doesn't have to change much.

4. I have been dismayed by the failure of the Labour Party to provide an effective lead on this.

5. The best explanation I read about this was an essay by Billy Bragg

- The relevent snippet...

Billy Bragg wrote:
"...the time is also drawing near for Labour to make the choice between leave and remain. For the past eighteen months, the party has sought to maintain a balancing act, fearful that, by becoming the party of remain, they would unite the fractious Tories and alienate those Labour supporters who voted leave.

I’ve supported this pragmatic approach, but, as March 29th approaches, the party must decide who it is going to alienate: its supporters who voted leave or those who voted remain? Sadly, in such divided times, it’s simply not conceivable that the party could retain the support of both camps. The outcome of the next election will hinge on this choice.

In 2016, I re-joined the Labour Party after 25 years following the election of Jeremy Corbyn. Having spent the previous four elections casting my vote against the Tories, I finally have someone whose policies allow me to vote for a Labour government. Key among these was the promise that party members would determine policy, not the leadership. That undertaking helped Corbyn to achieve a landslide victory and led to a massive increase in Labour Party membership.

As a party, we are painfully aware of what can happen when a leader decides to make policy with a small cabal of advisors, dismissing the views of party members in favour of focus groups and favourable headlines in the Murdoch papers. The election of Corbyn was a clear rejection of that style of leadership."

6. That rings true for me. To the bafflement and bemusement of many progressives, much of the strongest support for Brexit was in solidly working class areas.

7. Those progressives have done little to help their own cause by accusing those that voted Leave of being racists and xenophobes. Kind of forces people to say "Fuck you. You know nothing" rather than engaging. Give people room to move into or they will not move.

8. I've watched the months go by with increasing bemusement, and have come to realise that this is probably going to be remembered as a real watershed in British history, regardless of where we end up.

9. I have no clue where that will be. I know what I'd like to happen, but my preferred option (another referendum) is no more likely than any other. A request for an extension to article 50 now seems the most likely, but that's just kicking the can down the road.

10. The next few days are going to be interesting!

11. If there is another referendum, the same old bollocks that happened in 2016 will happen again. The same forces will line up against each other. UKIP, which after it's apotheosis became a shambolic nothing will reform, or some other party with the same reason for being will form. It's supporters will be branded "Racist" by vocal shallow progressives.

12. Nah. That'll do for now. I have a sink full of dishes to wash.

(edited for spelling and because I'd forgotten how to do links with words instead of big long URLs)

Well, that was fun, will wait to see what happens tomorrow. I can't see a no-deal being accepted but then again I never thought leave would win either! I'd say my money's on revoke A50 or people's vote, but bit short of cash at the moment due to losing my job because of brexit!

After a quick recap today:

We're fucked!

For those of us who lost our jobs and careers in 2016, this is basically saying we've no future here and go elsewhere, or do lesser qualified jobs, which isn't a realistic option. On a personal level, the only thing I can actually think of doing is looking to relocate and find work, however this becomes even more problematic due to the fact that thousands of others will be planning the same thing, thus making regaining a career a complete pain in the arse!

David Schneider
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14h14 hours ago

Summary of talks with DUP so far:

“We’ll give you £1bn”
“No”
“£1.5bn?”
“Nope”
“£2bn”
“Yawn”
“We can’t go higher. Grayling spent it all on imaginary ferries etc”
“We’ll be off then”
“OK. £2.5bn and we’ll ban gay marriage”
“£3bn and you say the Big Bang is all lies”

I think he's well worth reading on this as well as other matters... http://craigmurray.org.uk

You may have signed a petition before but this is a new one, growing by 2,000 a minute
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584?fbclid=IwAR0juFw6phSrL4yk2Ze2g3dG9ZBWyTzF7fmutEguMWgIGJHTwWmM0JPMaUU

1. Corbyn tries really hard to stop his leavers voting for her (unlikely)

2. She gives DUP a hidden promise of a £3bn bung (almost certain)

3. Bercow says fuck off. (Perhaps, but who knows, might he suddenly get ill?)

No outright majority for anything, but clearly no appetite for No Deal, Malthouse, or EFTA/EEA.

From @kraft_mk on Twitter:

Tried this.
- Sorted by "Indicative difference."

008 Customs Union 264-272
027 Referendum 268-295
070 Labour Plan - 237-307
095 Common Market 2.0 - 188-283
110 Revoke A50 - 184-294
240 No deal - 160-400
283 Malthouse - 139-422
312 Efta/EEA 65-377

So it looks as if it'll be No Deal or ask Europe for a long delay including EU elections.

The story that Europe won't like us voting in their elections as they'll be stuck with a grumpy Britain is wrong imo. The grown-ups will vote for pro-Europe candidates in their millions so Europe may get the most pro-Europe parliament for years.

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4m4 minutes ago

Just turned on breakfast news half way through a feature on a new Pixar film about a furious toby jug that comes to life and can’t find its way back to a mythical kingdom and then I realised it was just Mark Francois interview.

Goodbye EU and Goodbye UK.

https://www.ft.com/content/e4b113f0-5552-11e9-91f9-b6515a54c5b1


And this thread is really well done, in response to Piers Morgan

https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1113547733300842497

A succession of Brexiters saying they'll boycott European elections.

That'll do nicely! (NVB, some Brexiters)

https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/04/britain-already-66000000000-poorer-brexit-9113538/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.twitter

FFS.

Paul Waugh
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Exclusive: Draft Labour euro elxns leaflet makes party look pro-Brexit. MPs, MEPs and members in full revolt over no mention of 2nd referendum.
(link: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fury-as-corbyn-euro-elections-leaflet-suggests-labour-backs-brexit_uk_5cc1e94be4b031dc07ef6b3a) huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fury-as-…
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New poll finds 61% would back Remain in a second referendum....

which means Jeremy will prevent it at all costs.

The case for Remain in a nutshell:

The EU Just Voted To Completely Ban Single-Use Plastics, whereas crappy, Brexity, Tory Britain .....

Tony Robinson
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Jeremy Corbyn tells Labour MPs that the party’s European election campaign will focus on local issues.

Surely the Labour leader who makes it clear he'll make working people worse off is the worst Labour leader ever?
https://twitter.com/AnnabelMullin/status/1128949162249265152

Brian Cox
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This is a site run by data scientists analysing how you should vote in the EU elections if you want to maximise the number of pro-European MPs the U.K. sends to represent our interests in the European Parliament. If you want the U.K. to leave the EU, don’t reply and don’t look.
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Join #RemainVoter. It's not enough to hope the parties will sort out this mess. Together we will make our vote in #EUelections2019
count for Remain, and for a People's Vote. Get involved at (link: http://www.remainvoter.com ) remainvoter.com. Together we can move mountains

nigelswift wrote:
Two things:
1. Been in hospital for major operation, performed by utterly brilliant team of 12, only one of whom was British, led by Spanish anaesthetists and uber cool 30 year old black French surgeon indistinguishable from Bob Marley, radiating competence, humour and leadership.

2. Out now and OK, watching lunchtime telly and a succession of street interviews in Dudley Market, absolutely wreaking of naked, vile racism and calls for Brexit to happen asap.

Fuck 'em all. And no, that's not the medication talking.

1. Glad the op went ok and you're healed soon.

2. I'm originally from Bridgnorth (not too far away from Dudley) and one of the reasons I've not been back for the past couple of years (only once since the ref) is this very same thing. Ok they've got their shirts on there but the level of xenophobia that's arisen because of that vote just disgusts me, I want no part of it, and although I love the town where I was born I just feel shame even at the thought of visiting.

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5:57 pm - 22 May 2019

https://twitter.com/MarieAnnUK/status/1131270489941454849

https://twitter.com/mockeree/status/1131458649002598401

4 short planks
https://twitter.com/Doozy_45/status/1132211098332160000

Following its obsessive vox pops from a long list of stall holders at Northern indoor markets, today its main outside broadcast was from an early morning car boot sale 10 miles north of Birmingham. Guess how many Lib Dems or Greens they interviewed? Yes, none. Their excuse, no doubt, was that there weren't any - something they knew would be the case.

Like Campbell or not, final proof Labour is controlled by a small gang of obsessive ideologues of which Jeremy must be one

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret

Brilliant:

Jess Phillips
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Is there anything worse than a beauty parade of politicians saying stupid stuff To appeal to 100,000 ageing right-wingers. In the process of this leadership race the country will be dragged back to the standards of a masonic lodge in Bury St Edmunds.

A Tory doing right instead of what's right for himself

Sam Gyimah standing on a second referendum platform.

The only one out of 13.

Dominic Raab: "If we end up on WTO terms it will be the EU’s choice’"

So there we go, as predicted here three years ago. Europe demonised, and when the Brexit supporting utter shits lose their jobs and benefits they'll be told it's Europe's fault.

.... when a country's leadership can be decided by dog whistling a few tens of thousands of really nasty people who want fox hunting brought back.....

terry christian
@terrychristian
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Retweet if you think all businesses forced to lay workers off because of brexit and the ever weakening pound - should lay Brexit voters off first. Like if you think Brexit voters should volunteer for redundancy as they don't mind short term pain. It's what they voted for.

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Actually that's broadly what's going to happen anyway, so that's OK.

My (entirely essential) prescriptions are "delayed" (not known for how long).
I wonder if that's due to the thick shits who voted Brexit?

https://www.gponline.com/medicine-shortages-set-continue-despite-brexit-delay/article/1582413

.... has shut Parliament down.

What a fucking way to run a country.

Tom Watson
1 hr ·

Amber Rudd: “The most extraordinary idea I’ve ever heard.”
Sajid Javid: "You can't just shut down parliament."
Matt Hancock: "The end of the Conservative Party as a serious party of government."
Michael Gove: “It would not be true to the best traditions of British democracy.”
Nicky Morgan: “Clearly a mad idea.”

All five now serve as cabinet ministers in Boris Johnson's - carrying out the anti-democratic onslaught on our constitution that they have so recently condemned. They should resign.

BBC radio late afternoon news: "several thousand" (only) protestors are in London. BBC radio early evening news: one vox pop only from the streets - a Brexiter.

Who is behind this? It reminds me of the up to 2 million people march in London against going to war with Iraq, minimised by the Beeb and reported in the US as 100,000. How many people did that lie kill?

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/wetherspoons-profits-drop-19-boss-blaming-remainers-8911577/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.twitter

Nick Boles MP
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"Johnson’s media cheerleaders are openly discussing the idea of supporting a Withdrawal Agreement to avoid being forced by the Benn Act to request an extension and then frustrating passage of the implementing legislation by proroguing Parliament again.

Knowing that there is no limit to the cynicism or dupliicity of Johnson and Cummings, I will not vote for any revised Withdrawal Agreement until after Article 50 has been extended and the threat of No Deal Brexit on 31 Oct removed. No MP should trust this Prime Minister. END"

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Rory Stewart
@RoryStewartUK
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It’s been a great privilege to serve Penrith and The Border for the last ten years, so it is with sadness that I am announcing that I will be standing down at the next election, and that I have also resigned from the Conservative Party.
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A party that chooses to lose Rory Stewart, Ken Clarke, Dominic Grieve, and Sam Gyimah in order to pacify Mark Francois, Desmond Swayne, Marcus Fysh, and Andrew Bridgen will find itself in a whole heap of trouble ultimately. It really becomes just a matter of "when", not "if".
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..... deliberate appeals to racist sentiments

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/theresa-may-suppressed-nine-reports-proving-immigration-has-little-effect-on-employment-or-wages/06/09/#.XaUEg-ghzbt.twitter