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My timber henges thread with Fourwinds swearing at me cos I wrote he knew all the answers.

Most people who I bore at length about pre-history glaze over after the umpteenth question they have asked has got them the reply "we don't know: we may never know".

(can you hear the name drop...) Julian Cope once said to me (managed to slip that one there, but i think i got away with it) that he had got past needing to know the answers and was just grateful that the monuments were still up for visiting.

that's about the best i can come up with.

so, out of all of you: how do you not die of frustration when trying to gain a deeper understanding of what went up then down?

For me appreciation is much more important than understanding. I read an interesting article about how society as most of us know it is predominately right-brained ie. analytical, rational calculating. In a very deep way we have discarded the left brained part of humanity as part of daily life which is probably why artists and art has polar reactions of profound appreciation or profound bafflement. We are a bit disconnected from that part of ourselves and when we see it in action we either cant 'get our heads around it' or else have an amazing irrational feeling of connection to it.

Getting to the point, its likely the societies that built these monumets were much more holistic in their approach to life, the irrational was as much a part as the rational so these monuments dont 'fit' into the modern way of thinking about the world and probably never will. Its like trying to catch fish with the rod but no line. On the other hand we have the other side of the coin where the predominately left-brained people of the world approach the problem with their own way of understanding, creativity and 'wholeness' where everything is connected and the gaps are filled by the imagination. I think ancient man had a certain blend of both parts of the brains function which is extremely rare in 2006 which is why we have polar approaches from the mystic an esoteric to the hard-edge of the analytical.

I find circles and henges frustrating. 'Tombs' I can cope with, because we do the same today.

It's not something that's ever really bothered me. I just love visiting & looking at them and their surroundings (beautiful or otherwise!)

I got into big ole rox & bumps by accident - summat to aim for on a countryside stomp, but more-or-less immediately just fell in love - in a way I can't explain. Yes, I read lots of books & listen to people with knowledge & theories, but while I find that stuff interesting, it's almost incidental to the primarily aesthetic attraction I feel and can't explain.

I find the fact that nobody knows much for sure kind of fits with not knowing why I like 'em so much! And it means that the interest I find in reading & hearing about them doesn't diminish!

On the occasions that people ask me about them, I generally try to start by saying that, to me, the fact that so little is known about them for sure and that there are many theories and possibilities makes it all the more interesting.

Bit of a ramble, but it might just about get across what I mean!

love

Moth

When I visit sites on Dartmoor I never wonder what their purpose is or was , as we will never know the reason, the same with all megalithic sites. We can only speculate. Take Stonehenge as an example, for years everyone has been saying it was there for a midsummer ceremony, now it is thought to be for midwinter.
I first started to visit sites on Dartmoor in the early 1960's, after I came across them while out walking/camping as a teenager. The first one I came across was Hingston Hill / Down Tor stone row I had no idea what ,or how old it was, it was but it fascinated me. What did strike me , and the same with other sites I have visited since, is the setting it was in. This is why I visit sites now, not just for the stones, but for the whole atmosphere of the place that I can just sit and enjoy.

Peace, Lubin

It seems to me a bit irresponsible to just shrug and say we don't need to know, or that one gets enjoyment purely from being there, and that's enough. A bit, mind you, a bit.

First, if the stones have no particular significance, why go to them to enjoy them? Why not sit in one's back yard enjoying the bird songs? That we seek them out proves we still feel, in some way, they or their placements have SOME significance. And they do. The Neolithic structures are a--relatively--easily accessible part of the beginnings of our own culture, of modernity. Viewing the smaller bits collected in museums gives much the same feeling: this is where we began.

Certainly the threads connecting our particular modern ways of life to those ancient ones are thin. If one wants to get stuffy about it, there's no demonstrable direct continuity from any particular set of stones to any particular TV program. It's certainly possible the society putting up, say, the Grampian four posters died out, or were overrun or taken over by others different from them.

But in general, taken by and large, the stones and barrows and henges are the very visible and atmospheric remains of a vast shift in behavior: from wandering gatherers-hunters-fishers to settled farmers. That's important; it implies--although I may be over estimating the difference--a whole different way of thinking, of dealing with the world, and, I think, the basis of a whole set of assumptions by which we still live. Trying, even if in fits and starts, with one step back for every two forward, to figure out that change ends up telling us a lot about ourselves, how we think; about our assumptions and their effect on the world and each other.

All learning is frustrating to some degree. It's hard work and I know I'm not good at it--poor study habits and all that. It's even more difficult trying to study and learn on one's own. It was so much easier being in school, where all one's time is devoted to it, where there is a whole community of interested persons and the library is right next door. So here we are, recreating and creating anew a learning community, with few of the physical benefits of university or college and the huge frustrations of having to communicatie solely by typing.

Keeping all that firmly in mind is a great help overcoming the frustrations, for me.

Am I the only one who gets coonfused between Julian Cope and Julian Clary?

JC