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"Frankly I detect it in your writings . . . you talk about "nature" as if it wasn't real.) "

That's floored me. Since I was a boy, I have always been amazed that there is actually a 'word' for nature. As I stated in my post above, there *isn't* anything else. I can see how it's easy to confuse my anger at humankind destroying itself and this world because it thinks it 'better' than 'nature', but the dichotomy is that one has to view 'nature' as an 'outside' force in order to cross that line. Depends I suppose whether you call the 'Universe' nature or call the Earth and it's ecology 'nature'. Or do you think that 'Nature' is somehow a huge blameless process of progression (I can't understand the concept of linear progress it seems like a lie when we could all die tomorrow, yet in the Bronze Age people could live for umpteen generations without war and their time was so free it would feel like living 5 lives on our schedule, that's not to say one is better than the other, just how do you measure quality of life without being resorting to pure subjectivity, denying the voice of the other?)

If 'nature' is a blameless process of evolution, then everything we do as individuals must be ok?

All is permitted, but all is not wise.

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Posted by morfe
22nd September 2003ce
21:28

(morfe, Sep 16, 2003, 22:16)

Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Lawrence, Sep 16, 2003, 22:30)
Re: the 'it' in bullshit (stray, Sep 16, 2003, 22:38)
Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Dog 3000, Sep 16, 2003, 23:25)
- Re: the 'it' in bullshit (stray, Sep 17, 2003, 13:19)
  - but dont you think (duckbreath, Sep 17, 2003, 15:14)
  - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Dog 3000, Sep 17, 2003, 18:54)
    - The U in music (morfe, Sep 17, 2003, 19:58)
      - Re: The U in music (Dog 3000, Sep 17, 2003, 20:26)
        U Know (morfe, Sep 17, 2003, 21:46)
    - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (gorseddphungus, Sep 17, 2003, 22:25)
      - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Dog 3000, Sep 20, 2003, 04:59)
        Re: the 'it' in bullshit (gorseddphungus, Sep 20, 2003, 08:39)
        Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Dog 3000, Sep 20, 2003, 18:25)
        Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Lawrence, Sep 20, 2003, 18:49)
        Re: the 'it' in bullshit (morfe, Sep 20, 2003, 18:49)
        And an another thing (morfe, Sep 20, 2003, 18:57)
        Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Lawrence, Sep 20, 2003, 19:52)
        Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Dog 3000, Sep 20, 2003, 20:20)
        Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Lawrence, Sep 20, 2003, 21:15)
        Re: My two cents (well... pence) (Moon Cat, Sep 21, 2003, 02:37)
        Re: My three cents (well... pence) (Moon Cat, Sep 21, 2003, 02:40)
        Re: My three cents (well... pence) (Lawrence, Sep 21, 2003, 06:21)
        Re: My two cents (well... pence) (Lawrence, Sep 21, 2003, 06:20)
        Re: My two cents (well... pence) (Moon Cat, Sep 21, 2003, 02:37)
        X vs Y (morfe, Sep 20, 2003, 19:00)
        Freedom from X vs Y (morfe, Sep 20, 2003, 19:33)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Dog 3000, Sep 20, 2003, 20:10)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Lawrence, Sep 20, 2003, 21:20)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (morfe, Sep 21, 2003, 04:03)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Lawrence, Sep 21, 2003, 06:24)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 17:47)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 18:13)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 18:19)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 18:23)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 18:55)
        What was the question again (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 19:04)
        Re: What was the question again (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 19:11)
        Re: What was the question again (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 19:33)
        Re: What was the question again (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 19:50)
        Organic local Ale (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:01)
        Re: What was the question again (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 19:59)
        Re: What was the question again (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:13)
        Re: What was the question again (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:22)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 19:12)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 19:30)
        Progress (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 19:45)
        Re: Progress (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 20:03)
        Re: Progress (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:15)
        Progress is the problem! (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:27)
        Re: Progress is the problem! (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:32)
        Re: Progress is the problem! (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:36)
        Re: Progress is the problem! (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:47)
        Re: Progress is the problem! (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:54)
        Re: Progress is the problem! (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:59)
        God the Capitalist (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 21:06)
        Re: God the Capitalist (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 21:32)
        Re: God the Capitalist (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 21:51)
        Re: God the Capitalist (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 21:56)
        Re: God the Capitalist (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 22:08)
        Re: God the Capitalist (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 22:11)
        Re: God the Capitalist (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 22:14)
        Re: God the Capitalist (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 22:17)
        Re: God the Capitalist (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 22:28)
        Re: God the Capitalist (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 23:00)
        Re: God the Capitalist (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 22:15)
        Re: Progress is the problem! (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 21:11)
        Philosophicus (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 21:28)
        Re: Philosophicus (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 21:52)
        Re: Philosophicus (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 22:00)
        Re: Philosophicus (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 22:13)
        Fuckitupus (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 00:09)
        Re: Fuckitupus (Lawrence, Sep 23, 2003, 02:23)
        Re: Philosophicus (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 22:05)
        Destroy ourselves (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 22:10)
        Re: Destroy ourselves (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 22:20)
        Re: Philosophicus (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 21:58)
        Re: Progress (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:15)
        Re: Progress (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:23)
        PS (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:25)
        Re: PS (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:34)
        Re: PS (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 20:44)
        Re: PS (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:55)
        Re: PS (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 22:07)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 20:01)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:23)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:26)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:29)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Moon Cat, Sep 22, 2003, 20:35)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:37)
        Moon Kaat? (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 20:39)
        Re: Moon Kaat? (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:42)
        Ruuuush (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:39)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 20:42)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 20:47)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 20:38)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:41)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 20:35)
        Anus Randicus (Dog 3000, Sep 22, 2003, 20:37)
        Re: Freedom from X vs Y (Lawrence, Sep 22, 2003, 19:56)
        Conceptual (morfe, Sep 22, 2003, 18:26)
        Re: X vs Y (Dog 3000, Sep 20, 2003, 20:17)
    - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (ron, Sep 17, 2003, 22:51)
      - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Dog 3000, Sep 20, 2003, 04:39)
        Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Dog 3000, Sep 20, 2003, 04:41)
Re: the 'it' in bullshit (stray, Sep 17, 2003, 13:39)
Re: the 'it' in bullshit (duckbreath, Sep 17, 2003, 14:52)
- Re: the 'it' in bullshit (morfe, Sep 17, 2003, 19:20)
Re: the 'it' in bullshit (cancer boy, Sep 17, 2003, 15:52)
- Re: the 'it' in bullshit (gorseddphungus, Sep 17, 2003, 16:39)
  - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (cancer boy, Sep 17, 2003, 17:39)
    - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (morfe, Sep 17, 2003, 19:23)
      - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (cancer boy, Sep 17, 2003, 19:36)
- Re: the 'it' in bullshit (morfe, Sep 17, 2003, 19:34)
  - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (cancer boy, Sep 17, 2003, 19:37)
    - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (morfe, Sep 17, 2003, 19:44)
      - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (cancer boy, Sep 17, 2003, 20:20)
Re: the 'it' in bullshit (duckbreath, Sep 23, 2003, 17:25)
- Re: the 'it' in bullitt (Toni Torino, Sep 23, 2003, 17:27)
- Re: the 'it' in bullshit (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 17:47)
  - Re: the 'it' in bullshit (Lawrence, Sep 23, 2003, 19:10)

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