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Here's one for you, and one that occurred to me as I watched the news this evening. If Jeremy Corbyn is going to fight another leadership campaign, will he need the backing of 50 MP's like other candidates? Cos he certainly wouldn't get it. And how can he go on when there aren't enough MP's willing to join his shadow cabinet? If JC is the leader come the General Election, how can the 170 odd MP's that oppose him possibly stand - wont there be a need for new candidates that actually support him?

He's already got a shadow cabinet in place. I saw something earlier, it was on the lines that if there's no vacancy then he's automatically on the list, as there's actually no vacancy to fill then he'd automatically be on the list and off we go to round two of him being elected, likely by a bigger majority than last time!

Interesting timing this so called coup, it's being linked with the Chilcot report and Corby's demands to have blair tried for war crimes. Most of those who have quit voted for the Iraq war, Libya and Syria and support the Trident renewal, all of which he opposes.

As he'll likely/surely be on the next ballot (if there is one) and he wins what would those quitters do? They've already upset the CLP's who mostly support Corbyn by quitting from their decisions and voting against Corbyn without even bothering to find out the wishes of the communities they're paid to represent! They may find themselves out before Corbyn the way their going!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-legal-advice-automatically-on-ballot-leadership-challenge_uk_577003cfe4b0d2571149d42a

Interesting development from Eoin Clarke

Unions just backed Corbyn
240 Councillors just backed JC
13,000 new members (maj. back JC)
95% of CLP Chairs back JC

jb lamptoast-morsley wrote:
Here's one for you, and one that occurred to me as I watched the news this evening. If Jeremy Corbyn is going to fight another leadership campaign, will he need the backing of 50 MP's like other candidates? Cos he certainly wouldn't get it. And how can he go on when there aren't enough MP's willing to join his shadow cabinet? If JC is the leader come the General Election, how can the 170 odd MP's that oppose him possibly stand - wont there be a need for new candidates that actually support him?
I think this is the end of the Labour Party as we know it.

Whatever happens now, it will never be the same. There will be a split, a breakaway party will form with a huge amount of current Labour MPs joining.

How they will then get on in any by election is anyone's guess.

Corbyn has never had my support, and I'm not sure he could gain it, but if he is to be ousted it needs to be done in a proper and legal manner - not this death by 1000 cuts.

No really, you want to go really don't you. Please go quietly. Just go.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/01/tom-watson-calls-on-labour-mps-to-prevent-leadership-contest

WILL YOU JUST FUCK OFF
they are so desperate for him to go away because they know damn well the membership will vote for him again. Perhaps because he's a decent principled person? oh no not suitable at all. I'd rather have a principled left wing party to vote for than have to hold my nose and vote for those tory lite turncoat gits.

It's heartbreaking how easy it is to use the media to hector others into submission. Luckily, Corbyn doesn't look in the least inclined to submit to anyone.

His Say No To Hate Crime speech was inspirational, in a quotidian kind of way. God, I hate politics, but he's a good man contending with a media full of unmitigated arsewipes, The Guardian especially. Here's the speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnwfCnQwhqg Naturally, his supposed attempted lashing out at (or, in reality, um...turning around to face) a journalist has garnered more coverage.

Oh well, looks like the coup's over! What a complete farce, an utter embarrassment and complete waste of time!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/06/defeated-labour-rebels-admit-its-finished-as-jeremy-corbyn-refus/

It still doesn't seem to be set in stone that JC will be able to run in the leadership contest. I think there is some decision about it pending. Well Angela Eagle and possibly Owen Smith will be. CRAAAACK goes the Labour Party.

What it says in the rulebook is
i. In the case of a vacancy for leader or deputy leader, each nomination must be supported by 12.5 per cent of the Commons members of the PLP. Nominations not attaining this threshold shall be null and void.

ii. Where there is no vacancy, nominations may be sought by potential challengers each year prior to the annual session of party conference. In this case any nomination must be supported by 20 per cent of the Commons members of the PLP. Nominations not attaining this threshold shall be null and void.

To me that's pretty clear cut. There is no vacancy. And it's potential challengers that need to get 20 per cent of the PLP to support them. So the current leader doesn't need to do that.

.. which will make you swear, you could do no better than listen to Margaret Hodge spitting bile about her colleagues and members of the labour party (7.10 on this morning's Today). What a disgrace, accusing momentum etc of bullying and intimidating people = take a look in the mirror love. The whole world is upside down. These people are doing themselves no favours and I look forward to them crashing and burning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07jyvzs

Sanctuary would be proud of me. This is just absurd
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/13/owen-smith-to-offer-referendum-on-brexit-deal-if-elected-labour-leader
What on earth is he on about? We'll be out by then (if we're really leaving). There'll be no going back. He can't offer a referendum. He's an idiot. AN IDIOT.

how much more of this

I'm going to have to stop listening / watching all this and think about fairies and beetles and stuff instead.

I must stop listening to the Today programme, it's not good for me. Trouble is my car radio is knackered and I can only get long wave radio4 or 'smooth'. I can't really turn it off because it keeps me awake with the bursts of adrenaline-filled fury.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36791782
So now this Michael Foster ('I've donated £400k don't you know') wants to contest the NECs decision.

oh please. just shut up. this is getting so absurd. Why would you even bother if you were confident that JC was so terrible and would never win. And how obvious is it that he's been put up to this by the cowardly turncoats who are not prepared to stick their own necks above the parapet.

At the unite conference. this afternoon they voted to support mandatory reselection of all MP's if Corbyn wins. The NEC however have decided that affiliated members of a union now ha to have been a member for 6 months, so some would be paying over £50 to have a vote.

The way the NEC are behaving in undermining the very principles of democracy and what the Labour party are meant to uphold I don't even think there's going to be a future for the Labour Party!

Heavy satire but pretty much on the money:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyns-supporters-are-so-dangerous-they-took-over-labour-before-they-were-even-born-a7136711.html

Lord Mandelsons take on things is more interesting than you'ld reasonably expect.

https://fixeverything.quora.com/Mandelson-blames-New-Labour-for-Brexit

Link to full audio of his speech at the bottom of the article.

One of my Political heroes writing about the influence of another:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/05/political-establishment-momentum-jeremy-corbyn

Sorry, dunno if already mentioned or linked, but, re the NEC...just caught Galloway on RT: those who have now been prevented from voting in the Labour leadership election are nonetheless still able to vote in the forthcoming NEC election in September. Can you guess what will - and should - happen, children? : ) In any rate, Unite is believed to be preparing to legally challenge the NEC's decision, and, failing or apart from that, there would be an excellent chance of success of class action brought by a group of people.

the unity candidate. Smeagle, that made me laugh, just had to share it.

I thought I'd be getting an automatic invitation to vote (from paying into a union political fund), but reading this makes me think that everybody has to sign up individually. I'm not sure if that's true but I thought it'd be worth sharing -
http://www.labour.org.uk/pages/labour-party-leadership-election-2016

With Eagle quitting the race it leaves it to owen smith! A person who steals Corbyn's policies because he's got none of his own, takes credit for the hard work of other people, openly abusive, unliked in his own party amongst the PLP and members, calls himself a socialist but avidly supports austerity! Basically David Cameron!

One of the nicer things said about him is

"Know many people who've had dealings with @OwenSmith_MP, those who pass comment say the same thing, "he is a psychopath". #LabourLeadership"

EDIT: also openly sexist, considers himself 'normal' as he's married to a woman, voted for trident, abstained on welfare bill, wants more privatisation of the NHS and basically a total cunt!

I noticed about twelve counts of 'Vote Corbyn' graffiti out and about Brighton today. Wall writing seems to be the only type of media you can fully trust. Well, except for that one guy who said he can be found at the glory hole every Friday between 6pm and midnight but never showed up.

What is the desired result of the members' case against the Labour Party concerning the exclusion from the vote unless you payed £25.
Sounds from what I'm hearing elsewhere like it's not going to be a situation where the court could upturn the £25 charge and would be more likely to be viewing it as an internal Party matter and that Breach of contract would be likely to just mean those taking the court case would be offered the option of exiting the contract and getting a refund of membership charges up to that point.

Is that just a pessimistic interpretation of things?

Could it actually alter the party's ability to make a move like that?
Or is it one set of established authority trying to bring a judgment on an area it doesn't actually have authority over?
JUst hearing that the judicial system is unlikely to try to make rulling against constraints within a Party set up.
But surely for those trying to make a court case there must have been some advice that they could win in some way. Which what I heard elsewhere sounds like the judicial system would have little hope in ruling for.

Stevo

http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/10_pledges
I like them

I don't suppose the papers will want to print them in case lots of people like them. The crummy guardian ran a story about them that initially didn't even list them. I give up on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls1HzPZs_eY

I have watched this and I honestly tried to keep as open minded as possible, but I still couldn't help seeing Smith as a suit who was saying 'it's time to be united, it's terrible we're not' - when he's one of the ones causing the disuniity! and that he seemed better at dodging the actual questions than Corbyn and just spouting the soundbites rather than talking about the root causes of things.

Also the clapping is so weird, you hear lots of clapping but a lot of hte time you can't see many people clapping! (I think they must have paid people to whoop at the back, the people you can see look very dour).

Smith's insistence that you need nuclear weapons to try and pursuade other countries to give up theirs seemed quite bizarre to me.

He keeps going on about 'we need to be in government' but I still don't understand why he thinks he's more able to win a bloody election than the person he disagrees with.

Corbyn and Sm*th are debating in front of a studio audience today on the Victoria Derbyshire programme on BeebNews (09-00 - 11-00)

JUst read about troubles with security firms possibly meaning the September conference is in question. The firm they had set up to do it is currently in dispute with a union and the one they had used for the previous 10 years got dismissed because of its activity in Israel.

Fun fun fun.

Are they attempting to delay while Owen Smith gets some charisma surgically attached?

also this was interesting
https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/the-sound-of-blairite-silence-aed2ef726c8a#.gmr51gc54

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3751067/DAN-HODGES-Spineless-incoherent-incompetent-Owen-Smith-s-house-cards-collapsing.html

god even the mail can see what a transparent campaign the man's running. 'Do you want to vote for the real Jeremy Corbyn or do you want to vote for a fake one?’

Hoping things aren't going to be derailed by misrepresentation of the situation with trains. Since jeremy wound up sitting on his bag on the floor it has apparently become ridiculous that trains are overcrowded.

I think judging from what I was seeing on the BBC News channel The papers yesterday there are going to be a load of newspaper covers this morning ridiculing him for not taking a seat. Do hope that isn't THE lasting image of him.


Stevo

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/25/another-labour-purge-begun-time-massive-tweets/
Canary's going on about another massive labour party purge.
Is this going to stop in a month's time or is it set up to prevent events of late September from happening or what?

Virgin Trains are offering discount tickets for travel to the Annual Labour conference on the Labour website. Presumably that must predate the hassle with Corbyn last week.

Corbyn seems to think that procuring prostitutes and Class A drugs by Vazeline is "a personal matter".
I cannot imagine those two young Eastern european men deciding that they really fancied getting ****** by Vaz. Unless they were getting really well paid for it. They must be desperate. That kind of desperate, exploitative Human Trafficking for the "Sex Trade" is what the Home Affairs Select Committee is pulled together to legislate against. Or maybe legislate for...
Procuring Class A drugs for trafficked young male prostitutes (I am presuming that the drugs were some kind of enhancement/ sweetener/ additional payment for having to get ****** by Vaz) is hardly " a personal matter" when legislation over drugs is another area where the Home Affairs Select Committee draws legislation.
Maybe Corbyn is too scared by Vazeline's imminent report on Corbyn and the Labour Party's alleged Anti-Semitism to criticise Vaz's utterly contemptible behaviour. Whatever, Corbyn shot himself in the foot and the head with his dismissal of this excellent tabloid expose as "a personal matter".
If it were you or I... we would be charged, appear in court, lose our job, prison sentence imminent or heavy fine. Thanks for reminding us of that Corbyn... and there is the future of the Labour Party's MPs... Privileged immunity from prosecution and prop up the status quo.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/17/jeremy-corbyn-should-be-tougher-not-my-style
Guardian weekend interview with JC.

10-30ish, Conference and result day....the suspense is killing me (cough)