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Robot Emperor Nov 15, 2010 23:59:51
Replying to The Sea Cat

Animal welfare in slaughterhouses is one of the few areas that the supermarkets can be seen as the guys in the white hats. Their guidelines and conditions for using a slaughterhouse as a supplier exceed the conditions in government legislation. This is of course customer led, the public want (as far as possible) humanely slaughtered meat and pressurizes the supermarkets to supply it. I realise how relative this concept is. Hopefully this trend will not reverse thanks to this short sighted government u turn. Customer pressure may limit the impact.

I work as a Killer at a slaughterhouse and have seen the condition and treatment of animals improve dramatically in the last 3 years. There has been no new major legislation in that time. What change there has been has been on the insistence of the supermarkets who have the money for the regular audits required to ensure compliance. The Food Standards Agency does insist on independent vets (through an agency called the MHS) being present on sight throughout killing to guard against both cruelty by sadistic employees and (the more common) cruelty through a poor killing process, but the extra customer pressure has had more effect. The sad fact is that even the crumb of humanity we can offer to an animal going through a horrific process comes with a price tag.

The words I use such as "process" and "procedure" are not used lightly. A modern poultry slaughterhouse will kill 350,000 chickens a day. To suggest that such numbers are possible with all but the most cursory regard for animal welfare is laughable.

V vivid
vivid Nov 16, 2010 07:57:02
Replying to Robot Emperor

Robot Emperor wrote:
Animal welfare in slaughterhouses is one of the few areas that the supermarkets can be seen as the guys in the white hats. Their guidelines and conditions for using a slaughterhouse as a supplier exceed the conditions in government legislation. This is of course customer led, the public want (as far as possible) humanely slaughtered meat and pressurizes the supermarkets to supply it. I realise how relative this concept is. Hopefully this trend will not reverse thanks to this short sighted government u turn. Customer pressure may limit the impact.

I work as a Killer at a slaughterhouse and have seen the condition and treatment of animals improve dramatically in the last 3 years. There has been no new major legislation in that time. What change there has been has been on the insistence of the supermarkets who have the money for the regular audits required to ensure compliance. The Food Standards Agency does insist on independent vets (through an agency called the MHS) being present on sight throughout killing to guard against both cruelty by sadistic employees and (the more common) cruelty through a poor killing process, but the extra customer pressure has had more effect. The sad fact is that even the crumb of humanity we can offer to an animal going through a horrific process comes with a price tag.

The words I use such as "process" and "procedure" are not used lightly. A modern poultry slaughterhouse will kill 350,000 chickens a day. To suggest that such numbers are possible with all but the most cursory regard for animal welfare is laughable.

A couple of days ago I had no idea I would be conversing about animal welfare with a livestock farmer (on the forum next door) and now a slaughterhouse worker and would have recoiled at the idea. But I think these are the very conversations that need to be had - unsentimental and reasonable discussion taking into account the economic situations and the crucial differences in UK/EU/US/AUS/NZ etc. welfare legislation with regard to conditions on farms, e.g., which countries still keep calves in narrow veal crates etc., the transportation and slaughterhouse methods.

I need to give this some thought as I haven't even finished me first cuppa but will be back later in the day!

T The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat Nov 16, 2010 08:36:20
Replying to Robot Emperor

I was a vegetarian for many years and have recently returned to it again. When I was eating meat, it was chicken and fish only, and I would deliberately source reputable local organic free range. Luckily there's plenty of reputable Farmers Markets as there is a lot of interest in this type of produce here in Somerset, especially amongst incomers. To give him credit where it's due, a lot of this is because of Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall down the road in Axminster, who has a cafe/shop. So what if it's media trendy, if it helps promote local produce and ethical consumerism, hence his battle with Tescos re. battery eggs.

You are quite right about sourcing locally. It is easier to regulate and maintain better standards. I don't eat meat for personal ethical reasons, but I am in no way dogmatic or judgemental. I don't smoke or drink alcohol anymore, but that's just another personal choice. I don't mind what other people do at all, but I'm not a miltant ex-anything type. Each to their own thing. If someone does eat meat, most people can find reputable free range/organic in their local area/supermarkets. Do some research re. suppliers, and if needs be eat less meat on a weekly basis to cover the higher cost. Animal Welfare in this instance isn't necessarily a dietary issue, that would require a broader ethical discussion, whereas Circus animals is just downright cruelty for entertainment and is therefore deplorable.


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S Squid Tempest
Squid Tempest Nov 16, 2010 09:08:11
Replying to Robot Emperor

Sorry for a flippant reply to a very serious post, but it must be a bit of a conversation-stopper at dinner parties when people ask your profession and you reply "Killer"...

I've been a vegetarian for over 30 years now after bad experiences working in a butchers and fishmongers when I was a teenager. I can't imagine what your days at work must be like.