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Robot Emperor wrote:
Animal welfare in slaughterhouses is one of the few areas that the supermarkets can be seen as the guys in the white hats. Their guidelines and conditions for using a slaughterhouse as a supplier exceed the conditions in government legislation. This is of course customer led, the public want (as far as possible) humanely slaughtered meat and pressurizes the supermarkets to supply it. I realise how relative this concept is. Hopefully this trend will not reverse thanks to this short sighted government u turn. Customer pressure may limit the impact.

I work as a Killer at a slaughterhouse and have seen the condition and treatment of animals improve dramatically in the last 3 years. There has been no new major legislation in that time. What change there has been has been on the insistence of the supermarkets who have the money for the regular audits required to ensure compliance. The Food Standards Agency does insist on independent vets (through an agency called the MHS) being present on sight throughout killing to guard against both cruelty by sadistic employees and (the more common) cruelty through a poor killing process, but the extra customer pressure has had more effect. The sad fact is that even the crumb of humanity we can offer to an animal going through a horrific process comes with a price tag.

The words I use such as "process" and "procedure" are not used lightly. A modern poultry slaughterhouse will kill 350,000 chickens a day. To suggest that such numbers are possible with all but the most cursory regard for animal welfare is laughable.

A couple of days ago I had no idea I would be conversing about animal welfare with a livestock farmer (on the forum next door) and now a slaughterhouse worker and would have recoiled at the idea. But I think these are the very conversations that need to be had - unsentimental and reasonable discussion taking into account the economic situations and the crucial differences in UK/EU/US/AUS/NZ etc. welfare legislation with regard to conditions on farms, e.g., which countries still keep calves in narrow veal crates etc., the transportation and slaughterhouse methods.

I need to give this some thought as I haven't even finished me first cuppa but will be back later in the day!

vivid wrote:
But I think these are the very conversations that need to be had - unsentimental and reasonable discussion taking into account the economic situations and the crucial differences in UK/EU/US/AUS/NZ etc. welfare legislation with regard to conditions on farms, e.g., which countries still keep calves in narrow veal crates etc., the transportation and slaughterhouse methods.

I need to give this some thought as I haven't even finished me first cuppa but will be back later in the day!

Transportation in the case of chickens is a major cause for concern since they have a very poor ability to cope with the extremes of hot and cold. A lorry of birds numbers about 7,000 (and takes about 30 minutes to slaughter). At the height of summer and in the depths of winter anything upto 3000 of these can be delivered dead and consequently disposed of. This happens in transit. A number of years ago an entire load was dead on arrival. The conditions for the birds must be horrific.

I understand that they have similar problems in the sheds and that sometimes a whole flock has to be disposed of. Heaven knows what numbers we would be talking about but it would be tens of thousands.