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shanshee_allures wrote:
Yes, they have no actual interest in the holocaust anyway I reckon.
It's the ultimate stooge/trump card, innit?
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I tend to think the exact opposite. I think the holocaust casts a massive influence over the Israeli psyche and that you can see it manifest in almost every major political, military or security decision. It dominates Israel (indeed, how could it not?) and far from being some kind of "trump card", it's a massively destructive event, and the trauma it caused is destroying Jewish culture and taking down a whole region with it.

Absolutely.

Plus, I understand Israel's raw nerves much more than I do America's post 9/11 paranoia. Not that it excuses their willingness to go overboard with their violence, but some in the USA seem to believe that the relative pinprick that was the Twin Tower attacks is just as much justification for going apeshit as the Holocaust is for Israel.
There really is no contest. The Jews were targeted for extinction by the Germans, and NOBODY CARED. Antisemitism was almost as rife in the 'good' countries of WW2, everyone forgets this. But the Israelis don't. They know that they're more or less alone in the world. Of course, the USA would defend her, but every Israeli knows that if it came down to the worst, they'd very likely suffer the vast brunt of the carnage that most of their neighbors would love to inflict on them.

It is destructive, there is no doubt. To most of the world, there is no distinction between being a Jew and being an Israeli soldier. Millions of people around the globe would just as soon see every Jew die (and they still would even without the Israeli-Palestine conflict). Every Israeli carries this knowledge around with them, and it cannot but help only serve to bolster nationalism, 'manifest destiny', and disproportionate attacks.

That there even exists a leftist Israeli contingent at all, that seeks reconciliation and peace, is somewhat remarkable under these circumstances.

It's a bit weird to talk about how the Jewish spirit is maimed by all of this though, in the light of 'Christian' nations long, dark record of violence. I fear that many people exert an undue amount of attention on Israel's war crimes while ignoring their own nation's ugliness.

"The lesson is that we cannot rely on anyone but ourselves."

"Sixty years after the liberation of Auschwitz, the evil that begat the horror still exists, and still poses a threat," he said.

"We know we can trust no-one but ourselves."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4212079.stm

As I said, I don't see much in the way of 'reflection'

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Totally agree with you Jim, and this mindset is exacerbated by the fact that Israel is surrounded by some states who would love to visit the same fate upon them again.
Israel cannot afford to lose one war - but where I think the best way to avoid that is to work for peace, the govt of Israel is taking a very different tack.
It's very sad for ALL concerned.