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O.K. Lets go with the radical for a moment. This will no doubt be met with derision from some quarters, but its based on a great deal of fieldwork and research.
Many of the large stone cairns in south east Ireland have dished interiors. They also have small ante-chambers, and incorporate pits, for want of a better description. These have been described as "wind shelters" in the past, despite the fact that their shelter potential is in most cases zero.
Myself and a colleague, Mr Michael Power, (responsible 10 years ago for discovering the Carrigaruppera-H1 alignment in Coumaraglin on the equinoxes, one of the most spectacular visual alignments in this country) have arrived at the following conclusion. It is not entirely speculative, as evidence in the field is supportive.
We believe it is possible that some form of sky burial was practised in pre christian Ireland, similar to that practised by the Parsee religion and Tibetan Bhuddists. We speculate that bodies were left in the dished interiors of the cairns, which in every instance are in remote locations far from the general population. After carrion had dealt with the flesh, the bones were then retrieved, and subsequently cremated in the stone bowls which can be found throughout these mountains. This would explain the burnt stone, and the size of some of the bowls which are far too small to accomodate entire bodies.
We then think the ashes were interred in the re-arranged rockfields, of which over 5 square kilometres have now been documented, and marked by distinctive stone piles.
This would tie in with the statements by Mitchell and Ryan "that other forms of burial or disposal were practised which left little or no trace on the landscape." It is also a plausible explanation for the features which exist in the upland landscape of south east Ireland. It is at this stage only a theory, but one based on ten years of extensive fieldwork.
It is perhaps deserving of further investigation.

rockhopper wrote:
We believe it is possible that some form of sky burial was practised in pre christian Ireland, similar to that practised by the Parsee religion and Tibetan Bhuddists. We speculate that bodies were left in the dished interiors of the cairns, which in every instance are in remote locations far from the general population. After carrion had dealt with the flesh, the bones were then retrieved, and subsequently cremated in the stone bowls which can be found throughout these mountains. This would explain the burnt stone, and the size of some of the bowls which are far too small to accomodate entire bodies.
We then think the ashes were interred in the re-arranged rockfields, of which over 5 square kilometres have now been documented, and marked by distinctive stone piles.
Cremation of post excarnation bone would require a sizable pyre , which would leave an impact on the ground plus it is unlikely the entire bone assemblage would be cremated. Typically small bones of the ear , hand and feet fall from the body either pre pyre or whilst on the pyre , there would be remains to be found in the area if this practice had taken place

rockhopper wrote:
Many of the large stone cairns in south east Ireland have dished interiors. They also have small ante-chambers, and incorporate pits, for want of a better description. These have been described as "wind shelters" in the past, despite the fact that their shelter potential is in most cases zero.
Hello Rockhopper,

I've enjoyed this thread and some of the ideas you've mentioned are certainly worthy of a lot of consideration (especially the possibilities of "scree alteration" that you came into TMA with). I'm not an expert and I've never been to Ireland, so not qualified or experienced to know whether things there are similar to the sorts of stuff you see on the uplands in E&W.

That said, I must admit that the quote above, about the causes of "dished interiors", does cause me some doubts. Although perfectly possible the theory does seem to discount other equally (or possibly more) plausible reasons for why a lot of cairns have dished centres.

There are plenty of written accounts of barrows being dug into in the 17th/18th/19th centuries, either to look for treasure or (in later periods) to investigate using the only means available at the time, i.e. by digging into them. I would think that the majority of dished cairns I've seen have that shape due to recent-ish disturbance.

In addition, the same is true of earthen round barrows (often lowland), not just (upland) cairns. The scooped "doughnut" shape we've all seen is (I think) usually the result of digging. Ironically, the recent TMA thread about a certain Cheshire barrow that provided us with such an enlightened contribution the other day is such an example.

Going forwards in time, I note your brisk dismissal of the "wind shelter" cause for barrows to have hollowed-out interiors. Sadly this is something that still goes on today and that is precisely how many of these upland cairns have been treated in the last 100 years. Two specific examples for you:

Western Beacon on Dartmoor. A group of volunteers (including TMA-er Lubin) spent a lot of time dismantling wind shelters to restore the cairns there to their previous shape. Sadly some of them have already been "re-shelterised" since. This provides an example of it happening that has been documented very recently.

Bowscale Fell in the Northern Lake District. This mountain has a very substantial stone-built "wind shelter" on top of it. It looks very like a BA cairn that's been hollowed, but it isn't. The 25" OS maps from the late 19th century show a trig pillar there but no cairn (which they would have shown if it was there). It's a wind shelter built during the 20th century purely to provide a mountain top shelter (and I must admit it is effective to block the prevailing wind, having sat in it for a cupppa on a very windy, rainy and cold October day last year).

Neither of these causes of "dished interiors" disproves your theory. But both are demonstrable and documented as alternative causes in E&W and I think if SE Ireland is comparable, your theory will probably need to accommodate that.

Cheers,

thesweetcheat

rockhopper wrote:
the Carrigaruppera-H1 alignment in Coumaraglin on the equinoxes, one of the most spectacular visual alignments in this country.
Any data or pics for this please ?