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tiompan Dec 15, 2009 23:39:03
Replying to megadread

megadread wrote:
baza wrote:
megadread wrote:
Ah, but if Mr Eyre had an interest in all things rocky couldn't he have seen such designs himself before and copied them for the benefit of his friends whom it's said he took up there to entertain.
I just find it strange that Rowtor is full of "art" and it's neighbour just a couple of hundred yards away apparently has nothing, Eyre did live by the bottom or Row-tor, very conveniently for him.
Derbys. hasn't got a lot of rock art; it only occurs in a few places, as far as I know.
Rowtor is hardly full of the stuff, and there's only one motif which could be described as prominent.
There is a nice little group of classic cup and rings which really look genuine. Is there another example anywhere which the rev could have got inspiration from?

I think they must be prehistoric. The only doubt that could cross my mind is the case of the cross within the circle.

Well there's several groups of cup marks, the 3 cup and rings, 2 "serpent" designs and the "flower" motif.
It's the placing of them too, especially the flower motif very conveniently placed just below the path and right next to some of Eyres larger carvings.

As for the other examples he might have seen, i didn't mean ones he might have seen in the area though i'm not sure as to how well travelled he was.

I've never visited but judging by the pics have to agree Geoff they do look dodgy .

B baza
baza Dec 15, 2009 23:55:39
Replying to tiompan

This is what Pastscape says:

"SK 23556215. Rock carvings found at the western end of Rawtor Rocks
appear to be prehistoric and unconnected with the late 17th/early 18thcentury transformation of the outcrop by Thomas Eyre"

and I have no reason to disagree.

M megadread
megadread Dec 15, 2009 23:57:13
Replying to tiompan

tiompan wrote:
megadread wrote:
baza wrote:
megadread wrote:
Ah, but if Mr Eyre had an interest in all things rocky couldn't he have seen such designs himself before and copied them for the benefit of his friends whom it's said he took up there to entertain.
I just find it strange that Rowtor is full of "art" and it's neighbour just a couple of hundred yards away apparently has nothing, Eyre did live by the bottom or Row-tor, very conveniently for him.
Derbys. hasn't got a lot of rock art; it only occurs in a few places, as far as I know.
Rowtor is hardly full of the stuff, and there's only one motif which could be described as prominent.
There is a nice little group of classic cup and rings which really look genuine. Is there another example anywhere which the rev could have got inspiration from?

I think they must be prehistoric. The only doubt that could cross my mind is the case of the cross within the circle.

Well there's several groups of cup marks, the 3 cup and rings, 2 "serpent" designs and the "flower" motif.
It's the placing of them too, especially the flower motif very conveniently placed just below the path and right next to some of Eyres larger carvings.

As for the other examples he might have seen, i didn't mean ones he might have seen in the area though i'm not sure as to how well travelled he was.

I've never visited but judging by the pics have to agree Geoff they do look dodgy .
Well i guess we'll never know for certain will we unless someone comes up with a new technique to verify the antiquity of them, dunno how they'd achieve that though.

Baza, think about it the opposite way, why is it Rowtor rocks had a relatively dense concentration and the immediate area has nothing similar for Eyre to have copied them from. ?
There's something fishy methinks, though i'd love to be proved wrong of course.

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