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Good lord! This place is the grumpiest bunch of whiners I've ever met. I like it.
The reason some of us are grumpy (and true, some of us are grumpier than others ;-) is because we're interested in, and concerned for, our cultural heritage and naturally get upset when it's mistreated.

I'm seriously trying to see things from your point of view and can understand if you don't quite get our point of view. I mean, you can walk around most New World towns, villages, cities and countryside and never stumble on anything from your past older than a few hundred years. Compare that with this country (not to mention the rest of Europe) and there's no escape from places thousands of years old - ancient history is everywhere! Just to give you and example; I was waiting for my brother a couple of Saturdays back at Alton Priors village in Wiltshire - it was a really hot day so I went into the church to wait for him there. Alton Priors church is a tiny little place at the end of a leafy lane that can maybe seat a couple of dozen people at most. How old do you think it is? Well, it's Anglo-Saxon, and so about a thousand years old. Think about that for a moment.

My brother finally showed up looking grim and glum because England had just been kicked out of the World Cup. We drove out of Alton Priors past an Iron Age fort a couple of thousand years old; past West Kennet Long Barrow, five and a half thousand years old; Silbury, four and a half thousand years old, and into Avebury about 4000 years old. I'm sure you're not one of them but there are tourists from the New World(s) who see all this as rather quaint - well it ain't quaint it's Britain, and what you see is the result of thousands of years of people living, dreaming and building here. And if some of us get worked up about tossers climbing on stones, up Silbury, digging gravel pits or just the plain stupidity of the quangos here who can't seem to get anything right for places like Stonehenge and Silbury let alone smaller sites it's because we really do care for, and feel connected to, our past.

Hope that makes some sense. Whine over. Off to the Chelmsford Beer Festival to sample a few of more than 300 real ales (and that's something else the New Worlds need to work on - real ale ;-)

Brilliantly ranted Mr L., you're very attractive when roused.
Whilst I think patriotism is immature nonsense, these islands ARE magical, and the more so the longer you live. There's nothing virgin, you can scoop up a handful of soil from anywhere and have a fair chance of seeing something of your ancestors. What an inspiring stage upon which to perform our fleeting dance.

And as for conservation - erosion is a vicious and entirely one way process, every speck that's lost is lost forever. Of course we should shout about our heritage, and about the carelessness, ignorance, short-sightedness, incompetence, money-grabbing and political hypocrisy that's wrecking it everywhere. Ad nauseam. Bollox to vandals, proactive, passive or official, theirs are the only crimes that will endure forever.

Thankyou.

I think Nigel could vouch, at least in part, for Loie and I having more interest in your cultural heritage (after all, it's ours, too) than many of your contrymen. We've been to...well, here's a partial list I started to draw up for a little writing project (many of the sites are American)...

1991 Honeymoon, CA & AZ
around Flagstaff, CA:
Newspaper Rock, Petrified Forest AZ (Anasazi[?] petroglyphs)
Puerco Indian Ruin (Anasazi)
Wokiki, Wapatki (with Ampitheatre and Ball Court) Ruins (Anasazi)
Lomoki Ruins: Beautiful House (Anasazi)
Tusayan Ruin [near Grand Canyon] (Anasazi)
[Hopi Indian reservation]

1994 Hawaii
3 Petroglyph sites on Hawaii

1997 Farmington NM: Driving Yo
Aztec Ruins (Anasazi)
Chaco Canyon pueblos and petroglyphs (Anasazi)
Hovenweep Canyon houses (Anasazi)
Mesa Verde: Balcony House; Petroglyph Point (Anasazi)
El Morro National Park petroglyphs (Anasazi)
[Zuni Indian reservation]

1999 DtSA I Scotland
Corrimini Cairn, Clava Cairns, unexcavated cairn, Learable Hill stones
McLeod Stone, ? circle, Callanish I, II, III
Ring of Brogar, Scara Brae, Stones of Stenness, Barnhouse, Maes Howe, Unstan Tomb, Isbister
Temple Stones
East Auquorthies, stones near Castle Fraser, Sunhoney, Cullerlie, (Archeolink Park), Loanhead of Daviot, nameless ruined circle of Earlsfield Farm, Medmar Kirk
National Museum, Edinburg
Goatstones
[Harian's Wall; Roslynn Chapel]

2000 Tuscany
Etruscan:
Volterra Gates, museum: shadow of Night, funerary caskets

2002 DtSA II Languedoc
cairns, passage graves and menhirs around Peret; statue menhirs; Cave of Niaux [Peyrpreteuse, Rennes le Chateau]

2004-03 Paris [One week after Yo died]
National Museum of Archaeology

2004-07 DtSA Part III England, Brittany
Stonehenge private visit, Woodhenge, Durrington Walls, Cursus, barrows
Avebury [with the Stone Pagers]
Carnac and environs [full list will be about twenty sites]
Pink Granite Coast [full list will be about eight sites]

2005-07 Tahoe
Grimes Point petroglyphs

2005-09 DtSA Part IV [Amalfi Coast] Sardinia
[Pompeii, Nat. Mus Naples; Paestum] [full Sard. list will be about 15 sites]

Date?
Cancun: local ruins, Chichen Itza

Isn't that fun? And that's not to mention the historic sites we've seen here, either: Plymouth Plantation, Old Sturbridge Village, Colonial Willamsburg, Roanoke, Loisiana plantations, dozens of historic houses.... Oh, or the sheila-na-gig we found with Jimit. We can pop up to Hanover, Pennsylvania (with a quick stop at one of our two local Mason-Dixon markers) anytime for a taste of whichever CAMRA is on the hand pump. Or some of that Scottish heather ale we never did find in any of the pubs in Scotland. Tennants, eh? Ahem. In short, Americans do have a concern for the past, both at home and abroad.

It's not the concern that I don't get, it's the grumpy attitude coupled with the seeming inability to come to any practical consensus on what to do about the tossers and the apathetic. Not that I'd expect any truly effective plans to result: tossers and louts we'll have always with us. But rarely if ever do I see here any positive, enthusiastic mention of public education programs to support, organizations to join, plans to foster or just agreed upon ways to politely clean up the trash left at the sites. Nope, just whine, grumble and moan.

This is a fun place.