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"One thing's for sure, the local Wiltshire dialect would have rendered the 'a' in Waden as an open vowel - ie Waaden, not the closed vowel suggested by Weedon."

I suppose pronunciation before tape recorders is always speculative but I was interested that Samuel Pepys wrote about his visit to Avebury where he saw "Selbury" Hill in which was buried "King Seall". Bearing in mind his guide was a local "countryman" I reckon it's highly likely those spellings (that appear nowhere else) are pretty reliable evidence of the laid back Wiltshire drawl in use at that time. Whether Waaden or Weedon would be consistent with those two examples I'm not sure.

He also refers to "Abebury" (again, uniquely) whereas Stukeley and John Aubrey have it as Abury and the historian Dean says it should have been Abiri. But I wonder if Pepys is the one that is right in terms of an exact rendition of the sound he heard, if not the name itself, and that the locals spoke in an extremely laid back slow fashion which appeared to add an element to the name even though they didn't mean to - thus, King Seeeey-allll and Abe...bury. A bottle of Saki will help convince you.

One more complication is that I read John Aubrey is on record as specifically saying the correct pronunciation was the same as his name, Aubrey.

nigelswift wrote:
One more complication is that I read John Aubrey is on record as specifically saying the correct pronunciation was the same as his name, Aubrey.
Aubrey to Avbrey on a map is a small step. Write Aubrey in Latin script and you get your V.

"Burbage ('the burh by a stream'), Pewsey ('Pefe's eg or island'), Avebury ('burh by the river Avon'), Heytesbury ('Heahthryths burh'), Hazelbury (hazel burh or beorg 'hill'), Sherston ('stone on a steep slope'), and Upavon (river name), as well as one of Wiltshire's boroughs, Marlborough ('Maerla's burial place' [beorg, but not of a hill]),

to quote from an anglo saxon article... 6th century settlement A/S Avebury, is pretty early, there is a very strong overlay of naming round these places, Calne and Bedwyn are British stream names, as is of course Avon. Chippenham (Cippa's meadow) and Reinbold the priest who held Avebury also held Pewsey as well, the church is on a hill....Sweet's reader gives Dun = hill/mountain. Waed(ae spelt in that funny way) could be to do with water.

Thought I'd add that to the discussion ;) all these 17th century people could'nt spelll

I suppose pronunciation before tape recorders is always speculative but I was interested that Samuel Pepys wrote about his visit to Avebury where he saw "Selbury" Hill in which was buried "King Seall".
All fascinating stuff, and before retiring to the Fox and Raven for my Saturday afternoon tipple :-) it might be worth bearing in mind that Z was often substituted for S in Wiltshire-ese - Silbury becoming Zilbury and cider becoming zider etc; that could account for the spelling of Silbury as Selbury as it's actually quite difficult not to pronounce Selbury or King Seall (when spelt that way) as Zelbury and King Zeal - try it and you'll zee what I mean ;-)