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Etymology isn't a very good source for this kinda thing.
Well, we're going off at a bit of a tangent there FW, and I actually I don't agree with you that etymology isn't a good source of info (especially when it's the etymology of place-names). One thing's for sure, the local Wiltshire dialect would have rendered the 'a' in Waden as an open vowel - ie Waaden, not the closed vowel suggested by Weedon. I suspect you would, regardless of the idiosyncrasies of early 18th century spellings, still have ended up with two very discrete renderings of those two names.

I tend to agree with moss when she says that the, "...Wansdyke is the boundary of the last British/Welsh land, not the modern Bristol Channel..." It's hard not to believe that the Avebury area, at the time of the early Anglo-Saxon occupations, did not still respect and represent aspects of pre-Roman culture, and the idea of a hill with a 'Welsh' Temple, as suggested by Weedon Hill, fits comfortably into that landscape.

But who knows, we're all still tossing ideas around here - unlike the 'academic' community who seem to be doing sweet F all.

"One thing's for sure, the local Wiltshire dialect would have rendered the 'a' in Waden as an open vowel - ie Waaden, not the closed vowel suggested by Weedon."

I suppose pronunciation before tape recorders is always speculative but I was interested that Samuel Pepys wrote about his visit to Avebury where he saw "Selbury" Hill in which was buried "King Seall". Bearing in mind his guide was a local "countryman" I reckon it's highly likely those spellings (that appear nowhere else) are pretty reliable evidence of the laid back Wiltshire drawl in use at that time. Whether Waaden or Weedon would be consistent with those two examples I'm not sure.

He also refers to "Abebury" (again, uniquely) whereas Stukeley and John Aubrey have it as Abury and the historian Dean says it should have been Abiri. But I wonder if Pepys is the one that is right in terms of an exact rendition of the sound he heard, if not the name itself, and that the locals spoke in an extremely laid back slow fashion which appeared to add an element to the name even though they didn't mean to - thus, King Seeeey-allll and Abe...bury. A bottle of Saki will help convince you.

One more complication is that I read John Aubrey is on record as specifically saying the correct pronunciation was the same as his name, Aubrey.

Littlestone wrote:
I actually I don't agree with you that etymology isn't a good source of info (especially when it's the etymology of place-names).
I actually should have said that it should not be relied on, rather than totally ignored.