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>>I worked for kindred Spirit magazine as a photographer for years.
All that new age therapy made me sick ;)
Yoghurt weaving & knit your own nut cutlets! yuck!<<<

Ah, but not sick enough to refuse to take their money? I know your sort ;-)

On a serious note now, I read what people are saying about the discussions on leys, etc.

If I'm one of the the intended recipients of any of these comments, will you please have the decency to say so to my face rather than leaving me wondering if I'm one of "them" that are causing you all such a problem at the moment.

A simple "Rune, please shut up we're not interested in reading what you have to say" or "Rune, please go and find a dowsing forum but don't post that stuff here" would be a lot nicer than some of the sideways references I've seen in this thread.

Clarification would be much appreciated, there are times for plain speaking and this is one of them.

Rune

I'm open to dowsers Rune thats why I suggested the experiment with Bristol Uni this year.
I have seen a dowser find underground water but I don't believe in the leyline stuff.

Personally I hadn't got you down as 'one of them', so (to me at least) you obviously don't bang on in a preaching-stylee about how we are all missing the point and our lives aren't complete without the arcane knowledge.

Like Pete I have seen dowsers find underground objects, just like I've seen some very expensive geofiz kit find underground things.

As far as I'm concerned you are not in the group described by any of the comments you quote.

No, you're not one of 'them' Rune, and I always enjoy reading your posts. FourWinds pretty well summed it up when he said, "...you obviously don't bang on in a preaching-style about how we are all missing the point and our lives aren't complete without the arcane knowledge."

Most of us have a pretty open mind on just about everything (though that doesn't mean we'll agree with it), it's just that when people like Croley keep banging on about their own perception of the world, refuse to listen to others and then become offensive that the line is drawn.

Carry on doing what you're doing :-)

I'm possibly one of the most sceptical people around, but I'm well aware that there is much that is not understood by science. I'm therefore quite willing to entertain ideas from people who have something genuine to say and can present a reasonable argument to back it up (even if I don't agree with them).

What I dislike is when people present radical concepts as though they were fact, but provide nothing to substantiate them and then criticise others for not understanding/believing.

I also dislike the metaphorical use of scientific concepts to "explain" real or imagined phenomena. An example would be the use of the term "Earth Energy" along with concepts such as conductivity, resistance, earthing, etc, as though we were dealing with electricity. If it was electricity then we could measure it, but to use such analogies seems like an attempt to gain undeserved credibility.

Alignments (as opposed to leylines) are quite common and seem to have been deliberately created by ancient cultures. However, the term "leyline" implies something other than just a human desire to line things up and it's when we get into this area that problems arise, because real evidence seems to be conspicuously lacking.

I, and I think many others here, would be happy to debate what evidence there may be for leylines, but arguments that depend on a belief in them will not in general be well received.