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tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: Sanctuary wrote: The problem is TSC that most don't appear to have been heavily mounded or ditched and consequently just animal movements have flattened a great many over the years making it now difficult to distinquish between the two, plus the plough on occasions as well I suppose. 4,000 years is a long time for a not so prominent feature to be laid to waste! Yep, that seems pretty likely doesn't it? There's plenty of bowl barrows that are being spread and flattened to little more than soil-marks, so a delicate little earthen bank isn't going to stand much chance! Actually, on the subject of ring ditches, presumably when you dig your ditch the upcast becomes the circular bank. So, do ring ditches have the bank on the inside (like a henge) or on the outside (like a stock enclosure)? Or does it vary? Ring ditches are usually associated with houses where the ditch is a result of rain rather than being dug .One may have just been discoveed in a scottish stone circle . Great advances in the past decade in relation to barrows and ditches ,due to more interest in tha actual construction /sequence rather than the contents . How does the bank get formed then George? In relation to ring ditch houses there is no bank as such only the ditch which was formed naturally by rain falling off the eaves ,the result visually and as seen in crop marks is similar to a ditched monument . In relation to barrows the spoil from the ditch can go into mound creation , (interesting point being that ditches are not necessarily the source of the mound material ) ,or external bank , or removed in these cases where the monument is open with no external bank , allowing access for further deposits until such time as the initial mound (s) start the process of closure .There is a lot of fascinating variation even pre mound and of course there are plenty of barrows that never had a ditch ,therefore the mound material was brought from elsewhere as was also the case in some with ditches . Hope that makes sense . Yes that all makes sense George but you threw me there as I thought we were considering proper ring ditches with burials not small (in depth) ring ditches created by water running off buildings which is a completely different thing. And yes it is interesting that at times mounds can be derived from 'alien' soil which gives us something to think about doesn't it. I suppose a couple of explanations may be that the actual soil being removed was not substantial enough to form a solid bank/barrow (peaty soil maybe?) or it was selected from a particular area that was considered more 'holy' than that present if it was for a particularly renown person. Could be for lots of reasons but it 'suggests' something important to warrant the extra effort of having to import it. Reply | with quote | Posted by Sanctuary 25th August 2012ce 10:45 In reply to: Re: Lodge Park Long Barrow (tiompan) |
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