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Hey I never said people were ALL bad. ;-)

There is also an argument to be made that collective work benefits the individual. "Individuals" do want to have friends and loved ones and a sense of community after all.

Again, I think it boils down to pessimism vs. optimism -- I'm optimistic that our better impulses will trump our worse impulses in the long run. Not always in every case, but enough to keep us from extinction. If I'm wrong Mama will take care of it, she always does.

What I disagree with is trying to force a new "system" on people. It is better to let things evolve driven by individual and collective choices. I am skeptical of "social engineering" because there are always unintended consequences.

"Collectivization" in communist countries is a good example -- the goal was to make everything equitable and provide for everyone. The result was usually massive starvation. More than 20 million died in China when Mao "collectivized" and called for "cultural revolution" -- China only began to be able to feed itself after Deng's market reforms.

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Posted by Dog 3000
10th September 2003ce
20:31

(morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 15:21)

neither will... (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 15:24)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Rhiannon, Sep 08, 2003, 16:09)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Lawrence, Sep 08, 2003, 18:09)
- Small scale societies where you . . . (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 20:03)
  - Re: Small scale societies where you . . . (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 20:17)
    - Re: Small scale societies where you . . (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 08, 2003, 20:20)
      - Re: Small scale societies where you . . (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 20:32)
        moral concerns (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 20:51)
        "Natural capitalism"? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 21:11)
        Re: "Natural capitalism"? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 22:57)
        Re: "Natural capitalism"? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:02)
        Re: "Natural capitalism"? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:30)
        "Common ownership"? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:44)
        Re: "Common ownership"? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:55)
        Re: "Common ownership"? (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 00:04)
        Re: moral concerns (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 08, 2003, 21:13)
        Re: moral concerns (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:27)
        Re: moral concerns (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 12:08)
        Re: moral concerns (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:23)
    - Capitalism the term (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 20:27)
      - Re: Capitalism the term (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 10:48)
      - Re: Capitalism the term (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 12:49)
        Re: Capitalism the term (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:26)
        Re: Capitalism the term (shamanic miner, Sep 09, 2003, 15:37)
        PS (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:41)
        What do you think would be better? (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:21)
  - Re: Small scale societies where you . . . (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:45)
    - Re: Small scale societies where you . . . (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:50)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 08, 2003, 20:27)
  - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:34)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Toni Torino, Sep 09, 2003, 11:37)
      - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:40)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Toni Torino, Sep 09, 2003, 11:41)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (ron, Sep 09, 2003, 20:27)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:45)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (mistletoe, Sep 08, 2003, 21:43)
- Sorry. That was me not mistletoe... (PaulMakesMusic, Sep 08, 2003, 21:47)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 22:55)
  - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (MonkeyBoy, Sep 08, 2003, 23:35)
    - A world without "money" (Dog 3000, Sep 08, 2003, 23:39)
      - Re: A world without "money" (MonkeyBoy, Sep 09, 2003, 00:08)
        Re: A world without "money" (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 00:15)
        Re: A world without "money" (MonkeyBoy, Sep 09, 2003, 00:38)
        Re: A world without "money" (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 02:20)
        Re: A world without "money" (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 13:49)
        The real question is (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:48)
        Re: The real question is (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:15)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 17:28)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 18:27)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 21:07)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 22:46)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:58)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 23:11)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:21)
        Re: The real question is (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 23:53)
        Re: The real question is (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 00:00)
        Re: The real question is (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 09:48)
        marx & the internet (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 09:58)
        Re: The real question is (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 10:14)
        o bugger, another final point (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 10:51)
        Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:11)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:21)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:24)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:26)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:35)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:45)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:59)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:03)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:10)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:22)
        Freedom (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:37)
        Born free. (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:27)
        Re: Born free. (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:34)
        Re: Born free. (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:45)
        War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 21:33)
        Re: War (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:01)
        Re: War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:11)
        Re: War (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:24)
        Nature (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:35)
        Re: Nature (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 23:06)
        Re: Nature (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 23:19)
        Re: Nature (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 00:02)
        Re: Nature (morfe lux, Sep 11, 2003, 01:49)
        Re: War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:16)
        Re: War (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:18)
        Re: War (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:34)
        Selfishness (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:38)
        Re: War & Human nature (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 01:55)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:27)
        Re: Marx again (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:38)
        Re: Marx again (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:52)
        predictions & a bit of state capitalism (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 01:35)
        the 'system' (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 01:47)
        Re: o bugger, another final point (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:22)
        Re: o bugger, another final point (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:36)
        ah! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 22:42)
        Re: ah! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:54)
        Re: o bugger, another final point (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 00:37)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:34)
      - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:39)
        The question of liquid cheese (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 16:07)
        plus (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 16:19)
        Re: plus (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:27)
        Re: plus (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 16:33)
        Re: plus (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:48)
- Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:31)
  - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 02:16)
    - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 03:24)
      - Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 04:03)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 09, 2003, 11:49)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 17:34)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 19:13)
        Re: Technology! (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 20:01)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 20:12)
        Re: Technology! (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 20:27)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 21:55)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:03)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:09)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:21)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:39)
        Back of the class (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:54)
        Re: Back of the class (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:01)
        Re: Back of the class (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 23:10)
        Re: Back of the class (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:22)
        I'm overworked! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 23:29)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 10, 2003, 07:27)
        3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 11:02)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:21)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 10, 2003, 23:58)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 00:22)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 00:53)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 06:18)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 09:40)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 18:56)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 21:16)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (necropolist, Sep 11, 2003, 21:21)
        Re: 3rd world birth rates (Dog 3000, Sep 11, 2003, 22:23)
        Blink and you will miss it (FourWinds, Sep 11, 2003, 07:19)
        Re: Blink and you will miss it (morfe lux, Sep 11, 2003, 14:54)
        Re: Blink and you will miss it (morfe lux, Sep 11, 2003, 15:08)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:13)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:13)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 10, 2003, 07:31)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:25)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:37)
        Re: Technology! (MonkeyBoy, Sep 10, 2003, 19:49)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:56)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 19:55)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:59)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:17)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 20:31)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 20:49)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 22:48)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 10, 2003, 23:12)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 15:52)
        Re: Technology! (ron, Sep 09, 2003, 20:19)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 21:29)
        Re: Technology! (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 21:47)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:06)
        fission (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:42)
        Re: fission (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 22:44)
        Re: fission (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 22:57)
        fusion (Dog 3000, Sep 09, 2003, 23:04)
        Re: Technology! (FourWinds, Sep 10, 2003, 07:36)
        Re: Technology! (Dog 3000, Sep 10, 2003, 19:23)
        Re: Technology! (ron, Sep 09, 2003, 22:12)
      - Re: What is better than Capitalism? (cancer boy, Sep 09, 2003, 16:36)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (necropolist, Sep 09, 2003, 16:46)
        Re: What is better than Capitalism? (ratcni01, Sep 09, 2003, 23:28)
Radio 4 in the next half hour (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 08, 2003, 22:16)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Proserpine, Sep 08, 2003, 22:26)
- Owls (morfe lux, Sep 09, 2003, 01:37)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (Proserpine, Sep 08, 2003, 22:44)
An Anarchist Communist Theocracy (stray, Sep 09, 2003, 18:30)
Re: wow (Moon Cat, Sep 09, 2003, 20:23)
- Re: wow (anthonyqkiernan, Sep 09, 2003, 20:30)
  - Re: wow (Moon Cat, Sep 09, 2003, 20:32)
    - The Purple Age Of Moon Cat..... (Toni Torino, Sep 10, 2003, 11:12)
Re: What is better than Capitalism? (shamanic miner, Sep 10, 2003, 13:27)

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