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I support the view that farming meant hard work, the end of the Eden. Contemporary research among tribes in hard places like the Kalahari desert (and elsewhere) show that even under such extreme conditions, they need about 2-3 hours a day for the gathering alone, and even then, they only use a quarter of all the plants available!

When farming arrived, people had to work about 10 hours a day, including the separate gathering FOR the animals they domesticized!!

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Posted by Annexus Quamm
20th April 2004ce
19:16

(Annexus Quam, Apr 19, 2004, 18:37)

Settlers, semi-settlers, nomad-hunters (Annexus Quamm, Apr 19, 2004, 18:58)
- Re: Settlers, semi-settlers, nomad-hunters (Earthstepper, Apr 20, 2004, 21:55)
  - Re: Settlers, semi-settlers, nomad-hunters (GordonP, Apr 21, 2004, 20:03)
Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 19, 2004, 20:54)
- Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (Hob, Apr 19, 2004, 22:48)
  - Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 19, 2004, 22:57)
    - Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (Hob, Apr 19, 2004, 23:10)
      - Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (FourWinds, Apr 19, 2004, 23:12)
        spare time (TomBo, Apr 19, 2004, 23:15)
        Sudden thought. (Hob, Apr 19, 2004, 23:24)
        Re: Sudden thought. (TomBo, Apr 19, 2004, 23:27)
        Re: Sudden thought. (Hob, Apr 19, 2004, 23:34)
        Re: Sudden thought. (FourWinds, Apr 20, 2004, 06:30)
        fishbrain (morfe, Apr 21, 2004, 09:28)
        Rule of thumb (Steve Gray, Apr 21, 2004, 20:51)
        Re: Rule of thumb (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 21:00)
        Re: Rule of thumb (BlueGloves, Apr 22, 2004, 07:48)
        Re: Sudden thought. (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 20:54)
        Classic albino trout tale (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 21:06)
        Throut (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 21:08)
        Re: Throut (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 21:17)
        Re: Throut (FourWinds, Apr 22, 2004, 08:59)
        Horned Women (TomBo, Apr 23, 2004, 00:38)
        Re: Horned Women (GordonP, Apr 23, 2004, 20:40)
        Re: Horned Women (FourWinds, Apr 23, 2004, 20:45)
        Re: Sudden thought. (wideford, Apr 19, 2004, 23:45)
        Re: Sudden thought. (TomBo, Apr 19, 2004, 23:51)
        Re: Sudden thought. (TomBo, Apr 19, 2004, 23:56)
        Re: Sudden thought. (fitzcoraldo, Apr 20, 2004, 10:28)
        Re: Sudden thought. (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 15:10)
        Shell middens (fitzcoraldo, Apr 20, 2004, 09:47)
        It Comes In Whispers (Annexus Quamm, Apr 20, 2004, 19:06)
        Re: spare time (nigelswift, Apr 20, 2004, 10:14)
        Re: spare time (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 18:23)
        Suckling At The Teat (Annexus Quamm, Apr 20, 2004, 19:12)
        the red tide (fitzcoraldo, Apr 20, 2004, 20:31)
        The Sinking & S.T.A.R.C.A.R.R. (Annexus Quamm, Apr 20, 2004, 18:57)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (Hob, Apr 19, 2004, 23:21)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (wideford, Apr 19, 2004, 23:43)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 19, 2004, 23:53)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (FourWinds, Apr 20, 2004, 06:36)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (GordonP, Apr 20, 2004, 06:49)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (FourWinds, Apr 20, 2004, 08:41)
        In This Slaveship (Annexus Quamm, Apr 20, 2004, 19:16)
        Re: In This Slaveship (GordonP, Apr 20, 2004, 19:33)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (morfe, Apr 22, 2004, 10:59)
        commuting (fitzcoraldo, Apr 22, 2004, 11:51)
        Re: commuting (FourWinds, Apr 22, 2004, 12:11)
        Re: commuting (Annexus Quam, Apr 26, 2004, 21:22)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (fitzcoraldo, Apr 20, 2004, 09:37)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (FourWinds, Apr 20, 2004, 10:31)
        time, tide & the domestic idyll (fitzcoraldo, Apr 20, 2004, 11:20)
        Re: time, tide & the domestic idyll (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 15:16)
        Re: time, tide & the domestic idyll (FourWinds, Apr 20, 2004, 15:56)
        Re: time, tide & the domestic idyll (fitzcoraldo, Apr 20, 2004, 16:23)
        Forget Atkins (fitzcoraldo, Apr 20, 2004, 16:41)
        Re: Forget Atkins (Hob, Apr 20, 2004, 17:55)
        ideal fires (morfe, Apr 22, 2004, 11:53)
        Re: ideal fires (fitzcoraldo, Apr 22, 2004, 13:42)
        Re: ideal fires (BlueGloves, Apr 22, 2004, 14:11)
        Re: ideal fires (TomBo, Apr 22, 2004, 14:34)
        Re: ideal fires (TomBo, Apr 22, 2004, 14:35)
        Re: ideal fires (morfe, Apr 22, 2004, 16:41)
        Re: ideal fires (TomBo, Apr 23, 2004, 00:41)
    - King Of Province Glacial (Annexus Quamm, Apr 20, 2004, 18:51)
  - Blood Red And True (Annexus Quamm, Apr 20, 2004, 18:49)
- Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (FourWinds, Apr 19, 2004, 23:09)
  - Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 19, 2004, 23:23)
    - Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (GordonP, Apr 20, 2004, 06:07)
      - Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (FourWinds, Apr 20, 2004, 06:47)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (GordonP, Apr 20, 2004, 06:52)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (FourWinds, Apr 20, 2004, 08:39)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 15:22)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (GordonP, Apr 20, 2004, 18:02)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 18:15)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (GordonP, Apr 20, 2004, 18:55)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 23:25)
        "slavery outlawed" (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 18:19)
        Re: "slavery outlawed" (GordonP, Apr 20, 2004, 18:56)
        Not outlawed ... (FourWinds, Apr 20, 2004, 19:41)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 18:26)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (GordonP, Apr 20, 2004, 18:57)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 23:27)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 18:29)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (GordonP, Apr 20, 2004, 18:59)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 23:29)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (FourWinds, Apr 20, 2004, 19:43)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (nigelswift, Apr 20, 2004, 20:11)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 23:35)
        Them and Us (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 00:18)
        Re: Them and Us (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 00:39)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (nigelswift, Apr 21, 2004, 00:55)
        Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (nigelswift, Apr 21, 2004, 01:29)
        no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 01:41)
        and as for the stones and mounds... (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 01:48)
        Re: and as for the stones and mounds... (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 07:14)
        Re: and as for the stones and mounds... (Hob, Apr 21, 2004, 12:53)
        spot on (morfe, Apr 21, 2004, 13:01)
        Re: and as for the stones and mounds... (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 13:40)
        Re: and as for the stones and mounds... (nigelswift, Apr 21, 2004, 13:46)
        Re: and as for the stones and mounds... (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 14:14)
        Re: and as for the stones and mounds... (BlueGloves, Apr 21, 2004, 14:54)
        keeping the wolf from the door (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 16:54)
        Re: keeping the wolf from the door (Rhiannon, Apr 21, 2004, 17:00)
        Re: keeping the wolf from the door (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 17:03)
        Re: keeping the wolf from the door (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 17:09)
        Re: keeping the wolf from the door (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 17:11)
        Re: keeping the wolf from the door (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 17:35)
        Re: keeping the wolf from the door (Hob, Apr 21, 2004, 17:53)
        pine plantations (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 17:55)
        Re: keeping the wolf from the door (BlueGloves, Apr 21, 2004, 18:56)
        Re: keeping the wolf from the door (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 18:59)
        Old Irish saying ... (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 17:50)
        arborescence (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 01:51)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (nigelswift, Apr 21, 2004, 07:30)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (Hob, Apr 21, 2004, 12:17)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 17:10)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (nigelswift, Apr 21, 2004, 18:38)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (nigelswift, Apr 21, 2004, 08:05)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (BlueGloves, Apr 21, 2004, 08:46)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (nigelswift, Apr 21, 2004, 09:12)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 09:46)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (BlueGloves, Apr 21, 2004, 10:03)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 12:03)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (nigelswift, Apr 21, 2004, 10:04)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (BlueGloves, Apr 21, 2004, 10:33)
        bringing it all back home (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 16:59)
        Re: bringing it all back home (BlueGloves, Apr 21, 2004, 19:07)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 11:59)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (GordonP, Apr 21, 2004, 18:08)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 19:23)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (GordonP, Apr 21, 2004, 19:59)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 20:46)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 20:48)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 20:48)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (GordonP, Apr 21, 2004, 21:02)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 21:10)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (BlueGloves, Apr 21, 2004, 21:06)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 18:16)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (GordonP, Apr 21, 2004, 18:26)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 19:00)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (GordonP, Apr 21, 2004, 19:56)
        Walden Schmalden (morfe, Apr 21, 2004, 12:37)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 17:54)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (nigelswift, Apr 21, 2004, 18:28)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 18:53)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (nigelswift, Apr 21, 2004, 19:55)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (FourWinds, Apr 21, 2004, 19:28)
        Re: no sound ever comes from the gates of eden (BlueGloves, Apr 21, 2004, 20:26)
        a correction (TomBo, Apr 21, 2004, 00:57)
- Opaque (Annexus Quamm, Apr 20, 2004, 18:44)
  - Re: Opaque (FourWinds, Apr 20, 2004, 21:02)
    - Re: Opaque (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 23:45)
  - Re: Opaque (TomBo, Apr 20, 2004, 23:41)
stonehenge environs (fitzcoraldo, Apr 20, 2004, 10:11)
- Wined And Dined (Annexus Quamm, Apr 20, 2004, 19:22)
  - Re: Wined And Dined (GordonP, Apr 20, 2004, 19:36)
  - monumental masonry (fitzcoraldo, Apr 20, 2004, 20:51)
    - Sabra Cadabra (Annexus Quam, Apr 21, 2004, 14:57)
- Re: stonehenge environs (BrigantesNation, Apr 21, 2004, 13:11)
  - More Pits At Thornborough (Annexus Quam, Apr 21, 2004, 15:00)
    - Re: More Pits At Thornborough (BrigantesNation, Apr 22, 2004, 15:10)
      - Re: More Pits At Thornborough (Annexus Quam, Apr 22, 2004, 16:45)
New Discoveries in Pastoralism (gorseddphungus, Jun 14, 2005, 10:40)
Re: Fields Recordings From The Sea (FourWinds, Jun 15, 2005, 11:08)

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