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Exactly, Remain parties clearly won (boo to them for not having a common standard) yet the Beebs lead headline is "Clear win for Brexit Party".

Some talk of Labour shifting now though ....

Huge calls for corbyn and milne to go on twitter today, even paid stooge Paul Mason is having a go.

nigelswift wrote:
Exactly, Remain parties clearly won (boo to them for not having a common standard) yet the Beebs lead headline is "Clear win for Brexit Party".

Some talk of Labour shifting now though ....

I'm about as anti-brexit as it gets, but I've seen this "Remain (parties) won" thing on social media today and it's just not true.

Based on this BBC-sourced chart that was going round on twitter under the "REMAIN WON!!!" banner...

Clearly anti-brexit parties (Green, Lib Dem, Plaid, SNP, Change UK) got 40.4%

The Brexit Party got 34.9%

The tories (who are clearly a pro-brexit party) got 9.1%.


That means it was 44% Vs 40.4% in favour of Brexit.

And you simply cannot assume Labour's 14.1% was an anti-brexit vote (much as I wish we could). There's just no way of knowing how many of those Labour voters would turn out for "remain" in another referendum. I don't think Labour's equivocation is doing anyone any good at all, but that's where they are, and counting a Labour vote as a Remain vote isn't justifiable right now (IMO).

In some respect Nigel I think this may be good news for remainers

So 12% (32% of the 37% who turned out) have come out for the full swivel eyed WTO exit. But its being proclaimed as a 'victory' which makes any (saner, and I use that word guardedly) version of Brexit even more politically toxic.

Provided parliament refuses a no-deal Brexit (the one thing they've looked reasonably resolute on to date) - surely makes a second referendum inevitable?

Leave has hit 'peak leave' - they're all out (after all its been their chance of a lifetime), the waters of the 'non voting apathetic' would surely be more remain leaning and (potentially) a little more galvanized next time round?

Or is that just wishful thinking....?!?!?