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nigelswift May 23, 2017 07:23:00
Replying to dhajjieboy

dhajjieboy wrote:
Do you really believe that any governing body that the U.K. might elect will endorse ivory trading, much less "elephant slaughter"?
First, nobody said "endorse". "Allow" yes, I believe that is the case, which is different, but the same from the elephants' point of view
Second, the problem with ivory trading is that it DOES involve elephant slaughter, given that fresh ivory can now be faked to appear to be historic ivory, so there's no "much less" about the matter.

In summary then, yes I believe an incoming Tory Government WILL allow some degree of ivory trading and elephant slaughter. BTW, is there a written US Presidential manifesto? There ought to be.

S Sanctuary
Sanctuary May 23, 2017 10:06:19
Replying to nigelswift

nigelswift wrote:
dhajjieboy wrote:
Do you really believe that any governing body that the U.K. might elect will endorse ivory trading, much less "elephant slaughter"?
First, nobody said "endorse". "Allow" yes, I believe that is the case, which is different, but the same from the elephants' point of view
Second, the problem with ivory trading is that it DOES involve elephant slaughter, given that fresh ivory can now be faked to appear to be historic ivory, so there's no "much less" about the matter.

In summary then, yes I believe an incoming Tory Government WILL allow some degree of ivory trading and elephant slaughter. BTW, is there a written US Presidential manifesto? There ought to be.

Not wishing to extend this difference of opinion until we all give up the will to live Nigel, but you have yet to provide written proof from government documentation that your belief is true. The elephant is an endangered species and the government IS supporting ALL endangered species worldwide as they quite clearly state in the manifesto. The aim, to stop its slaughter! Would they do that if they were going to allow new ivory to enter our country knowingly?
You can firmly believe what you like of course but I have supplied the evidence that makes it most unlikely - with respect - you haven't.

Roy

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dhajjieboy May 23, 2017 13:10:31
Replying to nigelswift

Nigel...as you are ageing, you are becoming much less adept at cheap point scoring and un-clever twisting of words...semantics old boy.
You still seem to want to re-direct this particular issue into something about Trump for some inscrutable reason.
As Mr. Torino has pointed out there are many objects d' art with established legacies here and abroad with cultural value and worth that have unfortunately involved the use of ivory...
Do you suggest we pile it all into a conflagration as they do with confiscated tusks in Africa?
That's gonna involve a shitload of pianos {some of which Beethoven himself played on and still exist}{for starters...}.
Whatever else you say....it's the continuing ASIAN demand for ivory that will see off the last elephant.{and Rhinos too}
Not anything going on in the U.K.
Try taking THAT on.