Re: Fantasy Political Funeral | Forum — The Modern Antiquarian

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CraigR May 10, 2013 20:22:50

Replying to stray

Driving home for the footy last Friday night, there was one of their bellends utterly clueless on offering an alternative on their pledge of a flat 25% tax rate. Comedy. Comedy gold. Twas 5Live. I'll hunt the link but about 21:30 last Friday.

25% flat rate?

My word.

Cock arses the lot!

"But wait, no, we've changed that. Erm, to, erm summit or another, which we have no information on. Yet. Erm. Can I have a cake?"

J

jshell May 11, 2013 09:38:21

Replying to stray

stray wrote:

jshell wrote:

On another note and just reflecting: It's funny just how few of Thatchers policies were overturned by Labour afterwards.

In a lot of cases it was impossible to do so, as in reopening mines and relighting forges. Also its kind of difficult to reopen Docks for business again once they've been turned into retail experiences. Anyroad, yep, renationalisation was and still is an option for a lot of things. I mean we've kind of done it with the high street banks ;) Plus we'd save several billion quid that we pay in subsidies to these large Private Companies which would be a bonus.

Seriously though the Unions fucked it up in the 70s and did go too far. It all started to go wrong as far as I'm concerned at the Kodak Strike. No matter how good or right your motives are, you cannot call a strike and picket a workplace when the workers themselves there don't want to strike.

UKIP are in fact a clueless right wing party of clowns who are in thrall to the personality cult of Farage. Farage himself doesn't give a shit how mad his members are, as long as they get him power.

Anyone who thinks we could survive outside of the EU is seriously lacking in their understanding of modern economics. We rely on subsidies and quotas from the EU, in certain industries, just as much as any other EU country does.

Thanks for the balance. My father stood up to a strike call once over something utterly benign and tiny, but almost paid a heavy price for it himself. The management had agreed to do something for the workforce but because they physically cound not do it till the next day then some feckwit still cried 'strike!'

When the mines were being closed our council house had one coal fire. I remember the quality of British coal which burned for ages and gave off tremendous heat. When the mines were being struck or closed, the imported shyte coal just sat and smouldered without heating the house. That coal is still there but it is almost impossible to re-open a flooded mine as shoring up soggy ground is dangerous in the extreme.

I disagree about Europe. I want us out and I want us out now. I currently live in Norway and they laugh at the UK. Norway has more trade with Europe than us but remains outside the EU in terms of stupid laws, financial controls and downright fuckwittery.

J

jshell May 11, 2013 13:02:23

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stray wrote:

Anyone who thinks we could survive outside of the EU is seriously lacking in their understanding of modern economics. We rely on subsidies and quotas from the EU, in certain industries, just as much as any other EU country does.

Just watching what's happening now in Spain, courtesy of the beloved EU. The Spanish economy is such a basket case that all individuals have been instructed to give a statement of worth in regards to shares, cash, property etc. Anyone found to have disposed of personal assets prior to this declaration will be fined more than the value of the disposal. This is likely in part a lead up to the theft of personal belongings to cow-tow to the EU unelected autocrats who are accountable to no-one. In sort oft eh way that the personal theft of Cypriot assets took place.

This is where the EU is heading and why we MUST leave it asap. The EU is moving fast towards a Communistic horror. Thank fuck that we are not part of the Euro and that Cameron - in his one display of sense - told them to 'shove' their transaction tax!

J

jshell May 23, 2013 08:34:31

Replying to stray

stray wrote:

jshell wrote:

On another note and just reflecting: It's funny just how few of Thatchers policies were overturned by Labour afterwards.

In a lot of cases it was impossible to do so, as in reopening mines and relighting forges. Also its kind of difficult to reopen Docks for business again once they've been turned into retail experiences. Anyroad, yep, renationalisation was and still is an option for a lot of things. I mean we've kind of done it with the high street banks ;) Plus we'd save several billion quid that we pay in subsidies to these large Private Companies which would be a bonus.

Seriously though the Unions fucked it up in the 70s and did go too far. It all started to go wrong as far as I'm concerned at the Kodak Strike. No matter how good or right your motives are, you cannot call a strike and picket a workplace when the workers themselves there don't want to strike.

UKIP are in fact a clueless right wing party of clowns who are in thrall to the personality cult of Farage. Farage himself doesn't give a shit how mad his members are, as long as they get him power.

Anyone who thinks we could survive outside of the EU is seriously lacking in their understanding of modern economics. We rely on subsidies and quotas from the EU, in certain industries, just as much as any other EU country does.

Privatising many of the services was a complete disaster. Just look at the recent debacle over the mainline train services. Complete fuck up. However, the way things were was impossible to sustain due to in-efficiencies, spiraling costs and failure to be competitive. I'm all for partially subsidising jobs of real worth to the nation, but there is a limit to the resources.

Where to strike the balance? I'm not sure and as long as we have a 2-party system, the pendulum will just swing from side to side and we'll meander on without making the changes that need to happen.

On Europe I totally disagree. I want us out regardless of consequences as I think that trade will survive - it has to as we have a huge econoy and are Europes financial centre. We would have the autonomy to make it easy for large companies to come to the UK and set-up providing jobs like we don't have now. We, I think, get less back from Europe than we give. We'd be able to stop economic migration and actually rid ourselves of the settlers who cannot adhere to our laws. We'd be able to moderate those handcuffs that the criminal classes call their 'ooman roights'. I'm all for migration, but at sensible levels, and we must be able to remove those that prey on our way of life.

We also have to stop spending a fortune on illegal foreign military adventures and concentrate on our own problems.

The US desperately wants the UK to remain within Europe and quite frankly, that alone makes me want out.

J

jshell May 23, 2013 16:00:56

Replying to stray

stray wrote:

jshell wrote:

On another note and just reflecting: It's funny just how few of Thatchers policies were overturned by Labour afterwards.

In a lot of cases it was impossible to do so, as in reopening mines and relighting forges. Also its kind of difficult to reopen Docks for business again once they've been turned into retail experiences. Anyroad, yep, renationalisation was and still is an option for a lot of things. I mean we've kind of done it with the high street banks ;) Plus we'd save several billion quid that we pay in subsidies to these large Private Companies which would be a bonus.

....just thinking, they didn't reverse the hated Poll Tax either and now we're still saddled with more costly Council Tax....