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handofdave Mar 3, 2009 19:03:16
Replying to shanshee_allures

Some move there as a religious statement. Some move there because their home countries are hostile to Jews. And some were born there.

The Jews I know, and I am friends with many, are pretty secular, and not very keen on Israeli military excesses. And yet, even the ones that have changed their names, or in other ways tried to avoid that connection to their roots, almost always end up coming back in some way.
It's no accident that they've remained a coherent people even after thousands of years of diaspora and persecution. Israel has become a physical anchor for them after being scattered around the world. It's a highly symbolic chunk of land... obviously to the Palestinians, too.

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shanshee_allures Mar 4, 2009 08:34:01
Replying to handofdave

handofdave wrote:
Some move there as a religious statement. Some move there because their home countries are hostile to Jews. And some were born there.

It's a highly symbolic chunk of land... obviously to the Palestinians, too.

Well if you're born there then not much you can do about being wallowed in the mire.

If you're moving there with a cloth backpack carrying all your posessions hoping one hell hole accomodates you more than another then ok.

But the 'religious statement' bit? No, that is often B.S, and I tell you for why.

I just heard this morning on the radio of some rich American Jews CHOOSING to settle in newbuilt housing areas (more or less gated communities) on land that has in effect denied thousands of Palestinians access to hospitals, schools etc that they once were able to use.

The UN know about it, they say 'it's illegal', but nothing is done

How is that in any way about a 'symbolic chunk of land' from the Palestinian point of view?

I say very plainly it's excaerbating the problem.

EDIT:

Infact here's something relating to it here.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/04/hillary-clinton-israel-settlements

*On Monday, the Israeli group Peace Now reported that the Israeli housing ministry was planning to build at least 73,000 housing units in West Bank settlements.
Almost 500,000 settlers now live in east Jerusalem and the West Bank. All settlements are illegal under international law*

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