January drudion & I've had it with the Drude's xenophobic insinuations

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Lord Lucan Jan 7, 2008 14:27:24
Replying to shanshee_allures

http://www.unicef.de/foto/2007/english/index.htm

"According to UNICEF, there are about 60 million young women worldwide who were married before they came of age, half of them in South Asia."

...which is not principally a Muslim area of the world. This issue is poverty-driven, not religiously bound up with Islam. Girls from severely poor families are being married off like this, where the boys are being sold into child labour slavery (see photo below on linked page above of child labourers in Bangladesh.)

And I agree with Bonzo in that it also looked very much to me that Cope was using this as an example to support his well-documented position on Islam. And he may well accuse us of hiding behind 'political correctness' again, when actually we're seeing more of the wider reality behind this than how it helps us grind a particular political axe.

B Bonzo the Cat
Bonzo the Cat Jan 7, 2008 14:54:43
Replying to Lord Lucan

Lord Lucan wrote:
This issue is poverty-driven, not religiously bound up with Islam.
This is indeed a very succinct way of putting my overly verbose text in 11 words. Thanks. I indeed seem to spot a profound lack of any economic angle in Cope's point of view on religion and women rights. While it is true that not all is explainable in that way, one cannot be blind to the fact that it is easy to play the morally just when you're sitting at the top of the world. Probably his passions make that Cope feels more at home on the battlefield of religious concepts, but one has to be wary of such abstract reasoning, as I recall Nietzsche once deployed the same strategy to formulate some very strong anti-semitic theory in Der Antichrist, where he takes some early devolopment of polytheist to monotheist god-on-a-pedestal society in ancient Judea as a reason to condemn The Jew in general.

But you don't have to look so far... on the eastern borders of Europe, in economic desaster areas, parents sell their kids for a night to pedophiles from the richer west. Cope does not use this... probably because he can't condemn "that kind of society" - because *what* kind of society exactly? When it's closer to home it's less clear. Or on the contrary, even clearer: it's economy, not culture.

I IanB
IanB Jan 7, 2008 15:25:21
Replying to Lord Lucan

Lord Lucan wrote:
And I agree with Bonzo in that it also looked very much to me that Cope was using this as an example to support his well-documented position on Islam. And he may well accuse us of hiding behind 'political correctness' again, when actually we're seeing more of the wider reality behind this than how it helps us grind a particular political axe.
Indeed. I wish I had been as succinct!