Night owl seems to be my natural state even if it means only getting 3 hours sleep, Dodge. Good time for research though. The link was fine, illustrated the point without having to read a whole book to get to the bit I needed. I never read much of the welsh arthurian stuff in the old translation form, despite the welsh name, dad, and all the druid groups that leaned that way. Much preferred the fictional books by modern authors in most cases. I assure you I'm nothing special here. Just looks that way over there, where you mostly get that "Ravenbreath Stagsbutt" pseudo celtic stuff in bookshops. If you use google to search the TMA site instead of the in-site search engine, you'll see all the tons of entries by Rhiannon. Some good books there.