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Branwen Jan 19, 2010 02:29:40
Replying to wideford

What does IIRC mean?

Isn't Inis Witrin/Yniswytrin the older name the Britons had for Glastonbury? Before the Saxons renamed it?

Dodge and I had a long chat on another thread about woad, so I won't bore everyone by going into it again.

The present gaelophiles seem to want to seperate the Gaels as being non-indo-european too, if the funding to the people with that opinion to make tv about it is anything to go by (Pagans and NaCeiltich). I get a bit sick of the Gaelic road signs. Fort Augustus has "reclaimed" it's Gaelic name, for instance. It never had one. The village close to where the fort was built, and given the English name of Fort Augustus, right from the get go, previously had a Brythonic name. Why didn't they "reclaim" that? Why translate the name of the fort the english General Wade built and named for a foreign king for the purpose of putting down highlanders into the Gaelic to look like they are embracing their culture?

P.S. Thanks for the link Dodge.

D dodge one
dodge one Jan 19, 2010 03:05:55
Replying to Branwen

Branwen, you are a real Night Owl....
IIRC , means : IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.....
The Woad Conversation was interesting, not a bore.
Actually, i was afraid my King Arthur link was a bit lame, as compared to your well researched replies. But i am an admitted amateur.
Get some sleep.
D1

M moss
moss Jan 20, 2010 12:10:54
Replying to Branwen

Branwen wrote:
What does IIRC mean?

Isn't Inis Witrin/Yniswytrin the older name the Britons had for Glastonbury? Before the Saxons renamed it?

Been meaning to answer this from Rahtz's Myth and Archaeology of Glastonbury...
He takes Glastonbury to be A/S which is pretty obvious, 'byrig' which either means a strong place or a monastery, the 'Glasteing', (first used in charters 7th/8th century) the name of a person who founded an A/S estate..there is a story that a man named Glasteing came down from the north chasing a sow to Glastonbury, and finally found her suckling her piglets under a fruit tree next to the old church...a good celtic saint story, especially with the pig....
'Inyswitrin' (British or Gaelic) attributed to a 601 ad charter, but not really accepted as genuine, its not used to the 12th century, and then the word was of course interpreted as the Island of Glass = Glas..

The other thing of course is the Chalice Well which was excavated in 1961;
Original ground surface was reached at a depth of four metres and had flints and roman pottery, it was after all the principal well for the Tor. But what was interesting was that it had the stump of an old yew by the well dated to the Roman period... which seems to suggest that yews and celtic christianity gives evidence for a very early establishment here on top of a pagan shrine ??