Stonehenge and its Environs 134
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Mustard wrote:
Do we really have to divide up into opposing camps? I thought there was a high level of agreement on this thread. It seems like we'd all like to see less traffic on the roads. There's been some healthy, polite and respectful dialogue about whether and how we can achieve that.
Mustard, you have made some articulate and well argued posts for the car - some of which are irrefutable. Thesweetcheat is a bit of a hero in my book, constantly working out his bus and train routes, always willing to enter into good natured dialogue on a subject he clearly feels passionate about. You summed it up, however, with these words "The car is simply too comfortable, cheap and convenient to be easily displaced."
I haven't really got anything to add without the risk of tailing off into gloom and/or grumpiness. For inspiration I recommend Robert MacFarlane's "The Old Ways - a journey on foot" also his "The Wild Places" - reading about ancient routes across and around the British Isles is inspiring and I suspect some (who are fit enough) would be tempted to walk the same 'old ways' at least some of the time.
Which would be a step in the right direction.

tjj wrote:
Mustard, you have made some articulate and well argued posts for the car - some of which are irrefutable. Thesweetcheat is a bit of a hero in my book, constantly working out his bus and train routes, always willing to enter into good natured dialogue on a subject he clearly feels passionate about. You summed it up, however, with these words "The car is simply too comfortable, cheap and convenient to be easily displaced."
I haven't really got anything to add without the risk of tailing off into gloom and/or grumpiness. For inspiration I recommend Robert MacFarlane's "The Old Ways - a journey on foot" also his "The Wild Places" - reading about ancient routes across and around the British Isles is inspiring and I suspect some (who are fit enough) would be tempted to walk the same 'old ways' at least some of the time.
Which would be a step in the right direction.
Oh, my posts aren't intended to be "for" the car. Obviously cars offer huge advantages, but it's pretty clear that we can't carry on increasing their use without significant detrimental impact. I just don't think that we're going to get any alternative in place until something forces us to - be that environmental or economic factors. I would dearly love to see a massive investment in our public transport infrastructure (although I think the impact of such investment upon car use wouldn't be game-changing), and I'd dearly love to have the time to amble around the country on public transport. I could spend months just exploring the railways, given the chance.

tjj wrote:
Mustard wrote:
Do we really have to divide up into opposing camps? I thought there was a high level of agreement on this thread. It seems like we'd all like to see less traffic on the roads. There's been some healthy, polite and respectful dialogue about whether and how we can achieve that.
Mustard, you have made some articulate and well argued posts for the car - some of which are irrefutable. Thesweetcheat is a bit of a hero in my book, constantly working out his bus and train routes, always willing to enter into good natured dialogue on a subject he clearly feels passionate about. You summed it up, however, with these words "The car is simply too comfortable, cheap and convenient to be easily displaced."
I haven't really got anything to add without the risk of tailing off into gloom and/or grumpiness. For inspiration I recommend Robert MacFarlane's "The Old Ways - a journey on foot" also his "The Wild Places" - reading about ancient routes across and around the British Isles is inspiring and I suspect some (who are fit enough) would be tempted to walk the same 'old ways' at least some of the time.
Which would be a step in the right direction.
I think lack of time is the big problem today June. I absolutely adore walking in open countryside and am very lucky where I live because it is all around me, but not for most I wouldn't have thought. For many (as has already been pointed out) the journey to get to where you want to walk from is often a fair distance away, so unless you get there by car or PT, you have little time left to actually get your walk in if you only have say half a day free.