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tjj Oct 26, 2012 07:44:30
Replying to harestonesdown

harestonesdown wrote:
As this is on my doorstep i'll comment.
Fair do's we don't want them ripping up paths that people need to use, and maybe that is the case with these two paths in question, so let's close them and give them somewhere else to go rather than banning them.
Let's have a bit of tolerance for each other eh, relocation and education is what's needed here, not banning people from doing what they enjoy. i guess those that own the land EKLB stands on would rather not have people there but they tolerate us.

As for making them walk, have you not seen the erosion us hikers cause of some of the more popular paths ? and you can include Britain's 3 largest mountains in that, ffs just look at the train up Snowdon for example, but we aren't rallying to have that closed.

Live and let live i say, or we could just ban everything that grinds our personal gears. :/

I haven't been up Snowdon and yes, walkers do cause erosion - especially in the Lake District. Most trackways are open to horse riders, cyclists as well as walkers all of which do a certain amount of damage. However, dedicated organisations such as the Ramblers for walkers, and Sustrans for cyclists work tirelessly to keep these trackways viable. Why do 4x4 owners feel they have a god-given right to go where they like when there are so many roads available to them - I've had to get out of their way on the Ridgeway in Wiltshire and even on the beautiful Gower Way last weekend a 4x4 managed to get up there. My walking companion commented on how out of place it seemed. I can understand that some people have mobility problems and can't walk to these places but we all know that this is not the case with the majority of 4x4 owners. More a case of ... I can do this and who's going to stop me - in other words arrogance .

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harestonesdown Oct 26, 2012 16:10:19
Replying to tjj

tjj wrote:
harestonesdown wrote:
As this is on my doorstep i'll comment.
Fair do's we don't want them ripping up paths that people need to use, and maybe that is the case with these two paths in question, so let's close them and give them somewhere else to go rather than banning them.
Let's have a bit of tolerance for each other eh, relocation and education is what's needed here, not banning people from doing what they enjoy. i guess those that own the land EKLB stands on would rather not have people there but they tolerate us.

As for making them walk, have you not seen the erosion us hikers cause of some of the more popular paths ? and you can include Britain's 3 largest mountains in that, ffs just look at the train up Snowdon for example, but we aren't rallying to have that closed.

Live and let live i say, or we could just ban everything that grinds our personal gears. :/

I haven't been up Snowdon and yes, walkers do cause erosion - especially in the Lake District. Most trackways are open to horse riders, cyclists as well as walkers all of which do a certain amount of damage. However, dedicated organisations such as the Ramblers for walkers, and Sustrans for cyclists work tirelessly to keep these trackways viable. Why do 4x4 owners feel they have a god-given right to go where they like when there are so many roads available to them - I've had to get out of their way on the Ridgeway in Wiltshire and even on the beautiful Gower Way last weekend a 4x4 managed to get up there. My walking companion commented on how out of place it seemed. I can understand that some people have mobility problems and can't walk to these places but we all know that this is not the case with the majority of 4x4 owners. More a case of ... I can do this and who's going to stop me - in other words arrogance .
Well you get idiots in any pastime don't you, stone huggers included, take for instance the stone worshippers who leave tat at WKLB and Swallowhead, there will always be the odd few that give the majority a bad name, that doesn't mean we should punish everyone for their "crimes" does it.

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harestonesdown Oct 26, 2012 16:14:47
Replying to tjj

tjj wrote:
harestonesdown wrote:
As this is on my doorstep i'll comment.
Fair do's we don't want them ripping up paths that people need to use, and maybe that is the case with these two paths in question, so let's close them and give them somewhere else to go rather than banning them.
Let's have a bit of tolerance for each other eh, relocation and education is what's needed here, not banning people from doing what they enjoy. i guess those that own the land EKLB stands on would rather not have people there but they tolerate us.

As for making them walk, have you not seen the erosion us hikers cause of some of the more popular paths ? and you can include Britain's 3 largest mountains in that, ffs just look at the train up Snowdon for example, but we aren't rallying to have that closed.

Live and let live i say, or we could just ban everything that grinds our personal gears. :/

I haven't been up Snowdon and yes, walkers do cause erosion - especially in the Lake District. Most trackways are open to horse riders, cyclists as well as walkers all of which do a certain amount of damage. However, dedicated organisations such as the Ramblers for walkers, and Sustrans for cyclists work tirelessly to keep these trackways viable. Why do 4x4 owners feel they have a god-given right to go where they like when there are so many roads available to them - I've had to get out of their way on the Ridgeway in Wiltshire and even on the beautiful Gower Way last weekend a 4x4 managed to get up there. My walking companion commented on how out of place it seemed. I can understand that some people have mobility problems and can't walk to these places but we all know that this is not the case with the majority of 4x4 owners. More a case of ... I can do this and who's going to stop me - in other words arrogance .
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BPR_MiK Oct 27, 2012 09:40:24
Replying to tjj

tjj wrote:
Why do 4x4 owners feel they have a god-given right to go where they like when there are so many roads available to them -.......................... More a case of ... I can do this and who's going to stop me - in other words arrogance .
Have you spoken to any of "these people" ?
You might find that your prejudices are false if you did.
They do what they do for the same reasons as you walk to these places...for fun.
Why do you want to walk in the mud when there are so man pavements to walk on ? It's the same thing.
Let freedom be freedom and don't try to victimise people just because it takes a little something from you. It isn't "your" countryside it's everyones