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nigelswift wrote:
tomwatts wrote:
...If we take Littlestone's thoughts to their logical conclusion, then all mankind's earthworks should be removed, and the land left fallow...
I don't think there's a case for applying the principle to everything that gets done, only to some things. It's not an exact science but slag heaps are pretty universally considered blots on the landscape aren't they (?) so they seem prime candidates for applying the "polluter pays" principle. It's a better principle than "I'll make it look like a goddess to avoid the full expense of doing what I ought to" IMO. Fly tippers shouldn't be allowed to pile their litter into an artistic form. ;)
There are a few, what are laughingly called, landfills around this area...the purpose of a landfill, I thought was to fill a hole in the ground...usually with the excess human detritus that doesn't rot for a thousand years...but there are now new hills formed where no hills existed before or at least not in human memory(one prime example is glaringly obvious on the A24 from Kingsfold into Horsham.....I have a feeling that one such new landscape has covered over two "listed"(on old maps) tumulii near Storrington too...I haven't investigated but I noticed a "new hill" on (or at least perilously close to)the site, whilst driving past quite recently.

Resonox wrote:
There are a few, what are laughingly called, landfills around this area...the purpose of a landfill, I thought was to fill a hole in the ground...usually with the excess human detritus that doesn't rot for a thousand years...but there are now new hills formed where no hills existed before or at least not in human memory(one prime example is glaringly obvious on the A24 from Kingsfold into Horsham.....I have a feeling that one such new landscape has covered over two "listed"(on old maps) tumulii near Storrington too...I haven't investigated but I noticed a "new hill" on (or at least perilously close to)the site, whilst driving past quite recently.
Landfill hills never quite hit the 'natural' look sadly all this new shaping of the landscape looks like that children's programme about ten years ago (can't remember the name but it had a sun baby) smoothly rounded hills with artifical flowers and rabbits hopping happily around - often wondered if they caught the rabbits afterwards or did they breed promiscuosly till it became overrun with them ;)

...there are now new hills formed where no hills existed before or at least not in human memory...
Yup.

It’s pointless getting into the artistic pros and cons of Slag Alice because there are as many different views on what is, and what is not, ‘artistic’ as there are on the merits and non merits of leaving votive offerings at megalithic sites (though most Stoneheads here will say don’t do it - don’t mess with the site).

So, taking another tack, surely we should avoid spoiling or even changing the landscape in the first place; but when, out of necessity, the landscape is spoilt or changed we then try to return it to what it was; that includes filling in and making good the open cast mine here - not exacerbating that change by creating a monstrous land figure. Interestingly, after decades of transport trauma, the new Hindhead Tunnel under the Devil’s Punch Bowl will achieve just that, “...especially as the old A3 route around the Devil’s Punch Bowl is to be dug up and returned to nature once the tunnel is fully open. David Kennington, manager of Surrey Hills for the National Trust, said: “This is a hugely important reconnection of the landscape. With its steep sides, the Devil’s Punch Bowl has become a national reserve, filled with heathland, streams and wildlife.” He stressed the importance of the wildlife around the punchbowl and how it is unique to this area.”

Note, ‘a hugely important reconnection of the landscape’ - surely that’s at the heart of the issue. Sadly, it’s too late for some changes ever to be reversed. Mount Rushmore was a sacred place to the Lakota Sioux until it fell foul to Western egotism; in fact it was known by the Sioux as the ‘Six Grandfathers’ and, “...was part of the route that the Lakota leader, Black Elk, took in a spiritual journey that culminated at Harney Peak”. No more though - now busts blasted into a once sacred hillside rule. More here.

We’re usually pretty good in this country when it comes to protecting our countryside. Not always though – small field systems, along with their hedgerows and ecosystems have been ripped up, while vast acres have been planted with coniferous, environmentally unfriendly, forests. It could be far, far worse however - re: the Karanpura Valley Destruction, whole mountains in Japan bulldozed flat for ‘development', dam projects in China which wreck eco systems and the surrounding landscape, decimation of the rain forests, etc etc. We don’t need to add to all that for the sake of claiming to have the largest ‘human earth figure in the world’... do we?