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Kammer - that's really interesting that you tracked down the stones I'd read about. I was sorry to hear that they don't look very convincing, but it was only to be expected in Peterborough I suppose. More ammunition for people not enamoured with A Burl's books? but I suppose he can't have visited everything.
Can I just ask you, did you hunt them out as a result of seeing them on tma? Sometimes I get the feeling people don't like others posting stuff about sites they haven't visited themselves, but for one thing I don't get the chance to get out that often, and for another, I do think that especially for newcomers to the site, to see somewhere local to them on the map encourages people to visit and find out about sites.
Am I getting paranoid what with all the argumentativeness going on here lately?

Yes you are getting very paranoid! And you have reason to be!! Mwah-Ha-Ha !!!

Only jesting :-)

Your posts are wonderful and add so much to the value of TMA. I think I speak for all when I say "Please! Keep 'em coming!"

I visited a site near me in Woking on the strength of one of your postings.

It wasn't exactly Avebury (more of a stump, really), but it got me & my son out of the house on a rainy day, so please keep posting.

Hi Rhiannon!

> Can I just ask you, did you hunt them out as a result of seeing them
> on tma?

Yes I did spot them on the MA. I was visiting my in-laws (what a delight!) and unexpectedly had the morning free (so long as I looked after our youngest lad Alfie). I was pleasantly surprised to find something to visit really close by.

> Sometimes I get the feeling people don't like others posting stuff
> about sites they haven't visited themselves...

Surely that's why there are different types of postings though isn't it? The folklore side of things doesn't require any kind of visit, nor do miscellaneous postings. I started off only posting to sites that I'd visited, but it didn't take long for me to drop this idea. Your postings are extremely useful! Please keep them coming.

> Am I getting paranoid what with all the argumentativeness going on
> here lately?

Paranoid? Definately. It's been a mad house round here lately.

:-)#

Kammer x

PS. Photos of Robin Hood and Little John to follow.

Rhiannon, keep up the good work. I don't follow the folklore that much until i'm researching a site i'm about to visit, and it's usually your additions to TMA that flesh out the visit for my long suffering girlfriend as i wax lyrical on my scant knowledge of the site by quoting you.
Janet and Colin Bord make the point that it's the folklore and traditions (however debased) which may help us to understand better the lost unwritten traditions the predated the folklore that has come down to us. So keep it up, it all adds to the overall picture. it's what we're all doing in our own ways.

As someone who has recently criticized one of your site listings, I hope you don`t take it personally.

I still want to be friends :-)

I`m just interested in the truth.

Consequently, I`m not really interested in the folklore about these sites. How some ignorant, superstitious people tried to explain the reason for their existence never seems to help in my understanding of them. However, I am aware that many people do like to hear these stories and I don`t have to bother to read them.

Keep up the good work!

baz

thank you all for your encouragement.

Baza, actually I wasn't thinking of your comments at all! but now you've rattled my cage I may as well defend my standpoint.

You say you don't want to hear about the ideas of 'ignorant and superstitious people' - but surely you have to include the people of the Neolithic in this description (or were they part of some golden age, after which we got ignorant and superstitious again?). So why are you so interested in what this particular subset of i + s people got up to?

Surely the reasons behind the creation of many of the monuments in this country have to be founded in a profoundly different world view to our modern outlook today. Fair enough, some monuments do seem to be aligned on the seasons/certain stars/ the moon etc - but I think it would be stretching credibility to say they all are. You want the facts - but how are you ever going to get at the facts behind their creation really? I think you can measure all the stones you like but something will still be missing. You can look at the site's relationship to other sites, but something's still missing. You can dig up some knives and jewellery - but you can't get inside the mindset of a neolithic person. Besides, if you live in a culture you don't have to make it explicit to others of that culture what you believe, because the ideas of that culture are hegemony (?) and so you don't leave traces of them.

Erm. Also, the neolithic was a non-literate society. Telling stories would have been a very important way of passing on information about your people's history, their values, their aspirations. Ok so there may not be an undamaged chain between our stories now and theirs. But there are parallels between myths all over the world - probably because there are parallels between human experience throughout the world, and throughout time. Having modern technology doesn't change important parts of life like birth, love and death, good and evil, ideas about where we come from and how we should live.

If you look at Merrick's post in the 'milk' thread you'll see how stories about white cows are common in Britain. Maybe if cows were important in the Neolithic, maybe you would devise a story about a cow, and what this symbolised. Just maybe some memory of this got handed on. Maybe not.

But that's my take on why the extra dimension's important. Maybe you think it's arty wishy-washy nonsense, and maybe it is. It's not like you need a story to enjoy being at a site. But I don't think you should dismiss folklore as being from ignorant superstitious people, and therefore worthless.

Personally I think the wider the view you take of anything, the more holistic, the better you can understand it in its context, I'm sure you can't understand it any less.

Phew. That wasn't personal at all!!! and not aimed at you particularly. Just a few of my thoughts generally.