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I'm a heathen, and I love Silbury dearly, it means tons to me. I've never climbed it (despite having visited once), since it is so sacred to me that setting foot there is not something I would undertake lightly or in a hurry. It seems to me that no-one knows for sure just how unstable Silbury is, but given that parts of it have collapsed in the recent past I think it safe to assume that nobody should walk on it for the time being. It makes me sad that people who call themselves "pagan" or "druid" or whatever (and this is not a criticism directed at "pillars of the pagan community" like the lovely Cursuswalker) are walking on Silbury, in some small way decreasing the chances of me ever being able to make the climb, later in life when I feel like I have earned the right. I called myself a heathen at the beginning of this post, but I have to say that I feel absolutely nothing in common with the people who climb Silbury, at this time, in the name of paganism/druidry/whatever. They strike me as very selfish, potentially denying Silbury's tomorrow (and with it my tomorrow with Silbury), in the name of performing their rituals today. I just wish that more of the people who claim to hold Silbury sacred would treat it with the respect that something so very sacred (and delicate) deserves. When I hear of "pagans"/whatever climbing Silbury at this time I can only think that they have no understanding at all of what sacredness means.

Oh, and I think there's something fundamentalist and obsessive about insisting on holding a Lughnasadh (why do "pagans" prefer to call it Lammas, the Christian name of this festival?) rite on top of Silbury when there's so many other places around Britain that are known to have been significant to the ancients at that time of year. It seems to me that people like this Terry chap are more keen to be <b>seen</b> honouring their gods/spirits/whatever than they are on actually honouring their gods/spirits/whatever. Public piety of this sort disgusts me: a quiet, simple and humble honouring of Lughnasadh is surely more pleasing to the gods, if you ask me. I agree with Ishmael on that one: it <b>is</b> just posing.

*applauds*

Excellent post! I totally agree with all your sentiments.

Thanks TomBo, almost makes me want to become a heathen/pagan myself. True spiritual feelings should start from within rather from external actions. This should perhaps apply to any belief system, whether ancient or modern.
Transcendental Meditation is a non religious mental tool but even here the Maharishi, when you cut through his ramblings, says that to know one's inner self is the first step to knowing "God."

>It seems to me that people like this Terry chap are more keen to be seen honouring their gods/spirits/whatever than they >are on actually honouring their gods/spirits/whatever. Public piety of this sort disgusts me: a quiet, simple and humble >honouring of Lughnasadh is surely more pleasing to the gods, if you ask me. I agree with Ishmael on that one: it is just >posing.

Sopt on!
I'm reminded of the naked man Pete G told us about in Avebury, during the transit of Venus. He knew people would be about, and it would be a very crowded place at a special time. So he took his clothes off to show how 'spiritual' he was.
Bet he wouldn't have got his knob out at Doll Tor at 3am in February!
I was at Avebury this weekend and saw him climbing the hill. I don't think I swerved, but I did quickly think "oh, they're climbing Silbury again!". Quite a few followed him up there.

"why do "pagans" prefer to call it Lammas, the Christian name of this festival?"

Perhaps because it's an Anglo-Saxon word as opposed to a Celtic one?

Personally I use both and regard myself as a Pagan, not a "pagan"

Tombo - you write with a wealth of truth and beauty and say it all. I can add nothing to what you have said but can just give an illustration from experience.

More than 30 years ago, I climbed Silbury Hill with my young family. There were no restrictions on access then and as we drove closer we could see the Hill swarming with people. It was just an ordinary weekend and we parked with all the other cars that lined the road and then toiled upwards. There was very little grass and the paths were deep and eroded with people climbing from all directions. When we reached the top, we stood literally shoulder to shoulder. The platform was completely full. I was heavily into Paganism then, but there was no sacred experience to be had. It was an unpleasant jostle and one that I have never wished to repeat. From a distance, Silbury was a scarred mess swarming with ants. It is so much better now with all its problems. The sacredness is seen from a distance with no modern intrusions. I never want to see it crawling with people again.

Where is the respect that sacredness implies? Why do some "Pagans" want to clamber over places they claim to hold sacred? Why do some insist on climbing on Stonehenge at the solstices? I do believe that there are eternal truths to be glimpsed and experienced. For me, those rare experiences come in the remote places far from crowds, rituals and posturing. I perceive common truths in Paganism, Heathenisn, Druidry, Christianity and other beliefs, but in every case I see them distorted by priests in fancy dress who set themselves up as higher caste "spiritual" leaders. Surely we cannot take priestcraft seriously anymore. The Great Panjandrums are pantomime dames who invent ceremonies to boost THEIR egoes and reinforce THEIR power over THEIR followers. Stuff the priests and let me learn from wise teachers like Tombo.

some fair points, but as you werent there (corrdect me if im wrong), do you really know what terry was doing?

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