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Rhiannon wrote:
I'll say it again - the idea is that things at avebury are only excavated when proper research is being undertaken. Specific research into whatever traces a specific archaeologist might specialise in. I'm not an archaeologist. But I imagine, ignorantly, that it could be geophysical traces, stratigraphy, things wot respond to radar waves, resistivity, magnetic anomalies, artifacts from different periods, environmental traces like snail shells, - I don't know, I'm not an archaeologist and that's why if you really want to know details you're going to have read stuff yourself, or contact the people that did the excavations. But those things are going to be destroyed if you dig stuff up.

And - more to my point - there are things that are going to be destroyed that *we don't even know at this stage are important*. So no-one can tell you what those things might be that are being destroyed, not yet. They might be detected with Special Rays or analysed with impressive bits of kit with flashing lights on. Or whatever. So the plan of the people who look after avebury is to keep as much as possible unexcavated for the future. There's only a finite amount of archaeology out there. They don't want to be looked on as we now look on the Victorian speed-barrow-diggers of the past, chucking out bits and pieces that we now consider very valuable.

That's my point really, and if you don't want to do any reading about the subject to back up your own points, then how can the discussion progress?

This is a *discussion*, not an argument, so please can you avoid the belligerence? I have not said that I "don't want" to do any research, I said - quite clearly - that I don't *have the time at the moment*. So please don't be so rude.

Again, I'm not being awkward, but my above reading of your posts suggests that we don't have a single specific example of any archaeology that *might* be destroyed? No reason to believe that current techniques aren't sufficient to preserve important archaeology? And that's assuming that we're overly concerned with the medieval period to start with?

So the argument would seem to be that we shouldn't undertake restoration *just in case*? On that basis, we would *never* restore or dig, because no generation can *ever* be certain that they've reached the peak of technology.

At some point, we have to accept that every site of human activity can't be hermetically preserved for eternity, and nor is that desirable.

If I sound rude it's because I found it frustrating that I'd looked up things to back up my point, and you haven't got the time to read them.

"we don't have a single specific example of any archaeology that *might* be destroyed? No reason to believe that current techniques aren't sufficient to preserve important archaeology?
It's the precautionary principle. It's that we actually can't and don't know what those things might be. It's like if you spoke to a victorian antiquarian and asked them to not dig up the barrows because they were spoiling the stratigraphy and the carbon dating evidence and the chance of running some geophys over it. He couldn't imagine what you were talking about because to his eyes, he'd found a bit of charred bone and measured a skull's proportions and ooh there's a gold torc, what more would anyone want.

"So the argument would seem to be that we shouldn't undertake restoration *just in case*? On that basis, we would *never* restore or dig, because no generation can *ever* be certain that they've reached the peak of technology.
No, that's not what's being said. It's that the 'resource' (ie all the archaeological information under the ground) is finite at Avebury. So yes you can dig (as they did at one part of the purported Beckhampton avenue) but you can only dig a bit at a time. You learn something this time. But you leave a bit left so people can learn stuff in the future. So yes, you can dig, you can 'restore' (provided you know what was originally there to restore it, I suppose) - but you don't take a unique and nationally (internationally?) important site like Avebury and dig it all up, restore it all up, at once.

"At some point, we have to accept that every site of human activity can't be hermetically preserved for eternity, and nor is that desirable."
No of course not, you're totally right. But Avebury certainly isn't being hermetically preserved, it's a massive tourist attraction with car parks and restaurants and a road and everything. Why not change it one thing at a time, a tweak here and there, a bit of information gleaned here and there, building on previous knowledge, moving forward slowly but surely. Not treating the place like some kind of prehistoric recreation attraction.

And, I know it's a slippery slope sort of point, but if you want the stones re-erected, do you want the ditch dug out as well, where does one stop? Reinstate the size of the banks? The entrances? (Remove all the houses... the road)