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Not that I think any of you are planning to, but this
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/32199
Is a tale of very low quality behaviour.

I can't help but think that a surface covered in rock art makes lots of too-convenient handholds and footholds for the less adventurous climber. It would be a sad case if a future laser scan showed that there had been damage, but at least it would give some evidence that measures need to be taken to protect the carvings. I reckon there ought to be at least a second scan at some point to see if there's been any erosion. Though I suppose this wouldn't automatically have to be the result of climbers.

Have you seen the little discussion going on about this over on The Portal?

I seem to be singlehandedly trying to defend the rock art against people who, in my opinion, should know better.

Any input from any of you would be welcome.

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146411849&mode=nested&order=0&thold=-1


Baz

It has to be said that climbers were bouldering at that particular spot long before anyone spotted the carvings. There's a series of graded routes, in the bouldering guide books, as far as I know. Whenever I've been to Copt Howe, however, it's mainly been the adjacent lump or uncarved sections of the main boulder that's been in use by climbers. In fact, the shot with a climber in shows a route down a side of the boulder with no carvings. Last time I was there I got chatting with a couple of climbers who were unaware of the rock art, but were fascinated by it once I pointed it out. To not notice it means they'd not even looked at it, which suggests the rock face itself was of no interest, and so didn't have a route for them.

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/18056

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/3401

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/3402

If you look at Stubob's shot and my shots, they show (if you look closely) chalk marks down the 'corner' and side of the boulder. This means that's the bit that gets climbed, so I'm not sure that the carved face actually gets used so much - I've certainly never seen any chalk on it. Climbers don't tend to just go at a rock from all angles, it's a disciplined sport, and most boulderers will use specific graded routes. Having climbed a bit myself, and going from my (admittedly not the most trustworthy) memory, I can't actually see the carved side having a route on it... I may well be completely wrong. I've had a quick scout for route descriptions online but there doesn't seem to be a comprehensive online climbing guide, as most climbers use books.

Climbers aren't (in my experience) a bad lot on the whole. All of my climbing friends have a huge respect for nature and sites such as this, so I'm sure that if necessary precautions were taken (a sign explaining the significance of the spot) most would use other boulders. The Langdale valley aint exactly short of other climbing spots, after all. There's no accounting for random idiots though, and in that case, even a ban wouldn't be effective, unless someone was there keeping watch, which is obviously totally impractical.

Finally, how big a threat is climbing to that particular rock anyway? It's a very hard solid stone, from what I remember. The carvings look like they took real effort - they've been made by pecking, and are extremely faint - this is extremely tough rock! I can't see how fingers and soft rubber soles could do that much damage.

I really don't mean to say there isn't a problem, btw, just playing devil's advocate. If there's a genuine threat then something simply has to been done.

IronMan

PS - A good way to put climbers off using that face would be to say that the holds are man-made... a lot of them don't like that kind of thing :-)

By a strange coincidence, today I was talking to the folk who actually discovered these carvings. They told me that they had discussed the protection of the carvings when they first reported them to the authorities - the wheels turn slowly - apparently Copt Howe is in all the climbing books but the relevent sporting bodies have been contacted. So hopefully the news will get through to the climbers, who on the whole seem to be a sensible bunch. It is was also pointed out that climbers have been using these rocks for decades.

At the risk of reopening this thread and starting the bickering again.
You may like to read the following article wot deals with relevant stuff:
http://dreamflesh.com/essays/lastmuseum/

Picked up on Britarch, not sure if this has been posted before

"RUSSELL, Nick
Re: Chapel Stile Rock Art bouldering
-----there is a voluntary ban on this face of the boulder, obviously not everyone knows this but realistically its not really a good face to climb anyway."

H Hob

Just for posterity, or a sense of ultra-geeky completism or somesuch:
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/img_fullsize/65218.jpg

Thanks for posting that Baza. I don't know if it will do much good, but at least it's something to point out to those who are unaware of their presence, that the carvings should not be climbed upon.