Re: It's g(RA)m up north | Forum — The Modern Antiquarian

slumpystones Jul 4, 2007 08:29:26

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slumpystones wrote:

tiompan wrote:

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PPS What's the closest recorded cup-and-ring/rockart to these?

There are cups at Fyfield , on sarsen ,but the rock found at Knowlton is probably the nearest with rings too . Came Down barrow has two rocks with rings ,still in situ .

In other words, a bloody long way then?

Better go look for these others a bit sharpish, though I believe they are claimed to be cups only, which means I won't be able to verify either way.

"Mum, have you got that camera...?"

When you consider that the majority of the west country examples tend to have come from burial associations i.e. not free standing ( see these for some buried limestone oddities http://rockartuk.fotopic.net/c908223.html ) or possibly much later due to metal tooling then it's Wales or Peak district you are looking at for something close to Kent .

Unfortunately there's no way of knowing the origin of these stones, they could well have been chamber stones or just laying on the ground. The two standing stones do resemble one of the uprights from the facade at Coldrum, being triangular and up on edge. What has to be remembered is that Kent's prehistoric archaeology tends to lean towards Holland rather than Wessex, so any comparison with anything else in this country tends to be iffy.

And of course, they are older than the rest of the chambered tombs too...imagine, these could be the oldest recorded rock art in the country!

tiompan Jul 4, 2007 09:28:34

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slumpystones wrote:

tiompan wrote:

[quote="slumpystones"][quote="tiompan"][quote="slumpystones"]
PPS What's the closest recorded cup-and-ring/rockart to these?

T What has to be remembered is that Kent's prehistoric archaeology tends to lean towards Holland rather than Wessex, so any comparison with anything else in this country tends to be iffy.

And of course, they are older than the rest of the chambered tombs too...imagine, these could be the oldest recorded rock art in the country!

There is no way , yet , of dating RA in Europe so when you have an association all you can say is that the RA provides a terminus ante quem , if the association is secure In this case the rock bearing the possible markings
is not secure and the markings could have been engraved anytime between last week and ???? . BTW The Hunebedden don't have RA . Why do you consider it to be the oldest in the country ?

juamei Jul 4, 2007 13:18:19

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slumpystones wrote:

And of course, they are older than the rest of the chambered tombs too...imagine, these could be the oldest recorded rock art in the country!

Dunno about the medway tombs age (certainly coldrum is an oddity shape wise compared to the other megalithic tombs I've seen in the south) but the oldest RA in this country is surely the pecked mesolithic animals at Cresswell Crags?

F.A.O. Slumpy .