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Mustard wrote:
"Nature" won't make that decision. WE may make that decision by backing ourselves into a corner and destroying the environment that supports us, but we may equally come up with ingenious solutions to the problems that face us. I don't see how nature can "abandon" us.
Certain diseases in the past have destroyed themselves through being too effective, destroying their host before spreading effectively, this is what I meant by nature abandoning something. I certainly wouldn't claim any sort of independent decision making by some sort of deity or guiding intelligence or spirit.

I think of nature as being what is left alive, the puddle fitting the hole in the ground. Look in the garden. Even the fucking flowers are trying to kill each other - trying to take each others light, jostling for space - even using chemical warfare. I think mankind is at its best when fighting against its nature.

Bill Hicks wrote:
WE are a virus with shoes

We should be careful here, as there is a huge difference between wholesale slaughter and natural competition.