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Having had a short but lighthearted conversation at work today about who built Stonehenge and other ancient monuments (you know the one), I realised that I didn't actually know when the so called druids first appeared in Britain.
I think the name is Celtic and referred to anybody possessing great knowledge/skills.
Prior to those nasty Roman types driving them to Anglesey and slaughtering them all, I believe the celts existed here throughout the late IA, having moved here from central Europe.
All the information I have found is a little wooly and simply states that druid did not exist in Britain when SH was completed. However, is there any evidence at all that the celts (and therefore possibly druids) were in Britain earlier than is generally thought?

Or maybe they never really existed at all!

:o)

We have Ceasar's description of the Druids. He describes some of their practices (but some of his descriptions may be for political consumption at home). The Druidic teachings are recorded as originating in Britain. The term is largely defined by him and other writers: So they almost certainly existed in the period prior to the Roman invasion.

If the descriptions of what they say that they did was undertaken earlier than the time of the Celtic influx, then their ways may have been incorporated into the Celtic tradition. If this happened, some form of their tradition may have existed during the Stonehenge era.

This http://www.topnews.in/british-grave-might-be-first-historical-evidence-druids-220354 any help?

This is the right place to raise that question...

I think it is always best to read around the subject, and make your own choice, I am quite happy to believe in the old Irish legends, but Stuart Piggott's -'The Druids' has unpicked the stitches of the myths and legends that surround them. In the preface, the words 'Moonbeams from the Larger Lunacy' perhaps describes the historical evidence that evolved over the centuries. Hutton's 'Blood and Mistletoe' is another good read, never scoff until you read the evidence ;) The word 'Celts' of course has the same tones of disbelief as 'Druids' but that is another story....

This is one of the best, readable as opposed to academic, books I've read about the Druids.

http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Druids-The/dp/0786709871

scubi63 wrote:
Or maybe they never really existed at all!

:o)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diviciacus_(Aedui)

Diviciacus or Divitiacus of the Aedui is the only druid from antiquity whose existence is attested by name. The name may mean "avenger."[1] He should not be confused with his namesake Diviciacus, king of the Suessiones.

His date of birth is not known, but he was an adult during the late 60s BC, at which time he was described by Julius Caesar as a "senator" of the Aedui. In Caesar's The Gallic War the word "senator" is used to refer to Gallic aristocrats who took part in their clans' decision-making. He supported the Aedui's preexisting alliance with Rome.

Visit to Rome[edit]In 63 BC, at the age of 32,[citation needed] he survived the Battle of Magetobriga, where forces of the Sequani and Arverni, together with Germanic troops under the Suebi King Ariovistus, massacred the Aedui.[2] Thereafter, the Aedui became tributary to the Sequani. Following the Aedui's defeat at Magetobriga, Diviciacus traveled to Rome and spoke before the Roman senate to ask for military aid. While in Rome, he was a guest of Cicero, who spoke of his knowledge of divination, astronomy and natural philosophy, and names him as a druid.[3] Julius Caesar, who knew him well noted his particular skills as a diplomat without calling him a druid.

Alliance with Caesar[edit]Following Caesar's victory over the Helvetii, Diviciacus went as a prominent member of the Gallic delegation to Caesar, and was appointed as their chief spokesman. He brought the Gallic people's concerns to Caesar over Ariovistus, who had taken much of the Sequani lands and taken hostages.[4][5] The Gaul's request provided the catalyst for the next phase of Caesar's Conquest of Gaul, when Caesar went on to confront and defeat Ariovistus.

Diviciacus had a brother, Dumnorix, who was aggressively anti-Roman. After defeating him in battle, Caesar spared his life so as to avoid antagonizing Diviciacus. Later, however, Dumnorix attempted to escape from Caesar's control and was killed in the attempt.

Social positions
Delamarre contends that, in addition to holding the religious office of druid, Diviciacus may have been the Uergobretos, the annually elected political leader or chief magistrate[6] of the Aedui, one of the most powerful nations in Gaul. If true, his combination of military and religious office responsibilities in Aedua paralleled Caesar's duties among the Romans. For in Rome, Caesar was Pontifex Maximus in addition to being a magistrate and general. Diviciacus would have been Uergobretos sometime before 52 BC, when the election was contested between Convictolitavis and Cotos.[7] The date of Diviciacus's death is not known; Cicero speaks of him in the past tense in 44 BC.

Thank you all for your input, everyone.

So to summarise:-
They probably existed in Britain around the first century BCE because some Romans called them Druids and because Wiki says so ;o)

The hard archaeological evidence for their existence is based on 3 graves in Essex which (may have) contained at least one druid and dated circa 60-40 BCE.

So it is unlikely then that they were in this country before the late IA and even more unlikely that they had any influence the later stages of Stonehenge or any other of our pre-IA structures?

I will have to have a read of that book Ocifant :o)

scubi63 wrote:
I realised that I didn't actually know when the so called druids first appeared in Britain.
I think the name is Celtic and referred to anybody possessing great knowledge/skills.

All the information I have found is a little wooly and simply states that druid did not exist in Britain when SH was completed. However, is there any evidence at all that the celts (and therefore possibly druids) were in Britain earlier than is generally thought?

Or maybe they never really existed at all!

:o)

Reprinted book on Druids from 1809 available to download.

Mythology and rites of the British Druids ascertained by national documents and compared with the general traditions and customs of heathenism, as illustrated by antiquaries of our age. With an appendix, containing ancient poems and extracts, with some remarks on ancient British coins.

Published 1809 by Printed for J Booth in London . Written in English.

http://openlibrary.org/books/OL14029695M/Mythology_and_rites_of_the_British_Druids_ascertained_by_national_documents

We should be careful of names and labels and even more so of preconceived notions and images layed down in our minds from the fictional world as unhelpful fantasies. Imo any diverse society like such as that of the celts would have certainly had a central group of religious leaders, storytellers, teachers and healers- these we call the druids, this name translates as 'oak' , I dont find anything overly fanciful or doubtful about who this group were, just only find it amazing !. They probably used alchemy and what we would describe today as trickery, to shock and awe the people .. some things never change !