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Mustard M
Mustard Jul 11, 2013 14:38:21
Replying to Rhiannon

Rhiannon wrote:
It wouldn't be polite to call them an idiot though would it, especially to their face. Isn't that the 'respect' bit, a version of politeness? Wouldn't you subscribe to that much? You can give them your reasons why they are wrong (or you think they're wrong). They can change their mind if they want. And anyone looking on can draw their own conclusions. You might privately think they're an idiot and roll your eyes and give up trying to change their opinion. It doesn't do much good to call them an idiot and start a punch up?

But it's not like the tma forum hoho, in real life should you not generally try to maintain politeness? Respect doesn't imply you agree with their crazy ideas. Just that you accept their right to hold them.

Your point about the number of people holding the idea though, that's relevant somehow isn't it. I can't quite work out how yet.

Sorry, I wasn't expecting to be taken so literally. I'm not suggesting going up to people and calling them idiots. What I'm suggesting is that it seems that irrational views only become deemed worth of respect when they're labelled "religious".

I'm not even convinced regarding the "right to hold views". That's fine in principle, but that assumes that views exist in a vacuum and don't affect other people. Generally, it's more complicated than that - like in the way some religious views designate spaces as "sacred" that other people might be interested in interacting with.

Not sure what you mean about the numbers?

R Rhiannon
Rhiannon Jul 11, 2013 15:17:54
Replying to Mustard

I don't hold with any religion btw. I think it's all very bizarre. ( I'm enjoying this at the moment very much. Some of it's totally mad but if you look up the original text, it is there, albeit minus the swearing
http://thecartoonbible.blogspot.co.uk/ )

I agree that if you're affecting other people in a bad way with your views, then you should leave off. If people want to quietly pray to a sun god, that's fine, but if they want to start sacrificing people (you know, like the mayans), well, reluctant people at least, then that is where there's no respect going int the opposite direction. Got to have it both ways have you not.

About numbers. I think I meant that if there were only two people practising a certain religion in this country, society would be less willing to tolerate them were they wanting to do something a bit antisocial. Whereas if there's lots of you wanting to (hmm what can we have) oh maybe go round early on sunday mornings playing brass band music in the road as the salvation army used to do down my road when I was a kid = well then you're kind of more expected to tolerate it. So there's some unfairness when it comes to force of numbers isn't there. Besides, if I'd shouted at them to shut up they might have run at me with their euphoniums, it's easier to fight back with a group of you.