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Littlestone Jul 9, 2013 15:25:12
Replying to Evergreen Dazed

Evergreen Dazed wrote:
Do we really have to have the same endless, boring, dead-end argument about the climbing of ancient hills on this forum?
Yes, in the same way that we have to bang on about the disrespect shown to our fellow human beings – whether to women in some parts of the world, child abuse everywhere, the pollution/destruction of our planet or the mindless disrespect to ancient sites. Of course we have to keep banging on about these things until the message gets through that they are totally, totally unacceptable. I’m surprised you even ask the question.

Only a few days ago Chance posted a pic of some dickhead standing on Avebury’s Diamond Stone while someone else took his photograph. A few years ago scubi told some German visitors to stop climbing another of the Avebury stones. Quite a lot of us here have done the same in the hope that people will see that what they’re doing is unacceptable and attitudes, consequently, will change.

And that’s the point. Far from the arguments being ‘endless, boring or a dead-end’ they keep these issues on the front page rather than letting them slip off into oblivion.

M Mustard
Mustard Jul 9, 2013 15:37:56
Replying to Littlestone

Littlestone wrote:
Of course we have to keep banging on about these things until the message gets through that they are totally, totally unacceptable. I’m surprised you even ask the question.
Except of course that the members of this forum are already convinced of the argument against climbing, or else set in a contrary opinion that's unlikely to change. Gotta say, it's a bit like Groundhog Day where this issue is concerned. I don't think it's helpful in the context of this forum.

Littlestone wrote:
Only a few days ago Chance posted a pic of some dickhead standing on Avebury’s Diamond Stone while someone else took his photograph. A few years ago scubi told some German visitors to stop climbing another of the Avebury stones. Quite a lot of us here have done the same in the hope that people will see that what they’re doing is unacceptable and attitudes, consequently, will change.
Preaching to the masses is a little different though. Mind you, I'm not sure it helps to think of people as "dickheads" just because they're uneducated regarding conservation. A lot of people simply don't realise the capacity their actions have to cause damage. Obviously there are some wilfully selfish idiots out there, but most stone-climbers at Avebury are just ignorant through no fault of their own.

E Evergreen Dazed
Evergreen Dazed Jul 9, 2013 15:58:56
Replying to Littlestone

Littlestone wrote:
Evergreen Dazed wrote:
Do we really have to have the same endless, boring, dead-end argument about the climbing of ancient hills on this forum?
Yes, in the same way that we have to bang on about the disrespect shown to our fellow human beings – whether to women in some parts of the world, child abuse everywhere, the pollution/destruction of our planet or the mindless disrespect to ancient sites. Of course we have to keep banging on about these things until the message gets through that they are totally, totally unacceptable. I’m surprised you even ask the question.

Only a few days ago Chance posted a pic of some dickhead standing on Avebury’s Diamond Stone while someone else took his photograph. A few years ago scubi told some German visitors to stop climbing another of the Avebury stones. Quite a lot of us here have done the same in the hope that people will see that what they’re doing is unacceptable and attitudes, consequently, will change.

And that’s the point. Far from the arguments being ‘endless, boring or a dead-end’ they keep these issues on the front page rather than letting them slip off into oblivion.

If that is what you are trying to achieve, then fine, good, but can you not perhaps come up with a better way to transmit the message than these long-winded forum threads?
A post permanently at the top of the forum, communicating the message - Ok.
But these 'discussions' are just ridiculous. Honestly. If you think the same 36 page thread, complete with arguments and all sorts of regrettable bullshit, repeated every 3 months on a marginalized forum board is going to communicate the message far and wide you are absolutely wrong.