close
more_vert

BuckyE wrote:
Oh gosh, you Brits make me laugh. The obvious solution to this is simple. Stop being so mamby pamby about "ownership" of these sites. Condemn them through eminent domain, with a good payment to the owners. Fence them off and charge money to visit.

Charge extra for the privilege of leaving an offering at a designated part of the site. Make it clear that such will be cleaned out in 24 or 48 hours, and disposed of reverently. Ahem.

Use the fees gathered to help maintain the site and the salaries of the semi-volunteer staff. Look at what's being done in Sardinia, much of it on a volunteer basis. That's the way to go.

And yep, it'll be "unnatural." Just like when the things were built by a bunch of people who were desperate to fight and control "Nature." You want to see natural? Go to the Paleolithic caves in the Vezere valley. Now those people were into Nature with a capital En.

So stop worrying and get cracking. Take back these sites and return them to their original purpose: enriching the community.

Your American friend,

Bucky Edgett

Oh don't worry Bucky - (& please don't take this personally, as I don't mean it in that way at all)

Those american ideals are coming, and will be applied over here, as day follows night. They're not wanted - they're not needed - but we know the ignorance underlying the american ways will infect everywhere in its dangerous notions of land ownership and privatization. Some of us saw it coming decades ago, jesting about the stupidity of it all and the egos who will rise and make demands, alleging druidism, heritage reactions and other pagan falsehoods to give them the credo to have their own site. And it's happening. Don't worry.

To those who think it aint gonna happen, take off the blindfolds.

The american dream will not stop until it has disneyfied the world to its most shallow denominator, and cut the deep heart and soul of Earth's people who aint been turned onto the one true religion: Capitalism.

Paulus wrote:
BuckyE wrote:
Oh gosh, you Brits make me laugh. The obvious solution to this is simple. Stop being so mamby pamby about "ownership" of these sites. Condemn them through eminent domain, with a good payment to the owners. Fence them off and charge money to visit.

Charge extra for the privilege of leaving an offering at a designated part of the site. Make it clear that such will be cleaned out in 24 or 48 hours, and disposed of reverently. Ahem.

Use the fees gathered to help maintain the site and the salaries of the semi-volunteer staff. Look at what's being done in Sardinia, much of it on a volunteer basis. That's the way to go.

And yep, it'll be "unnatural." Just like when the things were built by a bunch of people who were desperate to fight and control "Nature." You want to see natural? Go to the Paleolithic caves in the Vezere valley. Now those people were into Nature with a capital En.

So stop worrying and get cracking. Take back these sites and return them to their original purpose: enriching the community.

Your American friend,

Bucky Edgett

Oh don't worry Bucky - (& please don't take this personally, as I don't mean it in that way at all)

Those american ideals are coming, and will be applied over here, as day follows night. They're not wanted - they're not needed - but we know the ignorance underlying the american ways will infect everywhere in its dangerous notions of land ownership and privatization. Some of us saw it coming decades ago, jesting about the stupidity of it all and the egos who will rise and make demands, alleging druidism, heritage reactions and other pagan falsehoods to give them the credo to have their own site. And it's happening. Don't worry.

To those who think it aint gonna happen, take off the blindfolds.

The american dream will not stop until it has disneyfied the world to its most shallow denominator, and cut the deep heart and soul of Earth's people who aint been turned onto the one true religion: Capitalism.

I cannot and will not add to that. Exactly.

Hasn't there been discussion here about how many of the UK sites have been destroyed by agriculture, Church practices, etc.? This destruction went on for centuries before there even WAS an America, so don't get your knickers in a twist about us!

I understand perfectly your desire to preserve the sites for many reasons, including spiritual ones. And sympathize completely. As a small bit of proof of my comradeship, I wonder how many other Americans than Loie and myself have visited with the members of this forum, and attended a megameet?

So please believe that it is with respect and commiseration that I post here.

There seems to be a basic misunderstanding about what I propose. Paulus says "...american ways will infect everywhere in its dangerous notions of land ownership and privatization." I perfectly well agree. But, it's been precisely the concept of allowing the sites to be privately owned--and concomitantly mismanaged--that has resulted in their rampant destruction and disrespect of them.

And as I've said before, we have exactly the same problems here with Native American sites. No one knows how much destruction has been allowed by having our sites in private hands, unguarded. Other than that it's certainly been immense. At that rate, it's a truism that archaeological sites are being plundered and destroyed all over the world. This is just a result of there being more and more people who can get to them. Most of the people respect the sites well enough to not trash them, but it only takes a few do do the damage. And there are more of those few all the time.

That's not going to change.

So long as any bunch of Yahoos--of whatever nationality--are allowed to piss in, climb on, spray paint, knock over, plow under, litter, leave crappy offerings in and generally do whatever they like for free at the sites, well, that's what's going to happen. Sorry, but that's been the fate of the sites for millennia. It's amazing any remain at all.

How are the few that have managed to survive going to be protected against this Yahoo behavior? I ask very seriously.