Ogam/Ogham Stones

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Branwen Oct 13, 2009 13:23:18
Replying to postman

Thanks Drew, even the names of the stones helps cos I can google it after. As far as the cross as an ogam mark goes, the one for a for ailm I changed my avatar to is the closest.

tjj wrote:
You won't be surprised to hear that I am interested in the ancient symbolism of trees which is linked to ogham (my particular favourite is the hedgerow elderberry).

An ogham stone was found buried there - it is also has Latin inscribed on it.

I really enjoy your posts ... fearless and honest, thats good.

Elders are a particular favourite of mine too, with their links to the nine maidens and well worship and all....

Is the latin inscription on that stone a translation of the ogam inscription?

Nothing to fear but ignorance June....

Hob wrote:
Fwiw, there's always the outside chance that one day, someone will uncover a stone with latin, ogham and CnRs on it, and it could be the rock art equivalent of the Rosetta stone :)
I'm interested in translating them using the Berla Egair naSaer. I read that ogam were often added to older stones later, which was what made me hope I'd get some hits.

Thanks Fourwinds, enough to get me started anyhow. I'm already seeing a numb butt and burning eyes in my future, as I tend to obsess, LOL.

T tjj
tjj Oct 13, 2009 15:17:30
Replying to Branwen

Branwen wrote:
Is the latin inscription on that stone a translation of the ogam inscription?

Nothing to fear but ignorance June....

Thanks for that Branwen ... I'm interested in aspects of many religions and how they overlap; folklore and religious practices are a valid strand of anthropology (in my sometimes simplistic view).

I can answer the question above ... but the sun is shining and the day is still tapping on the window.

Here goes anyway (from the visitors guide to Caldey)

There is some disagreement about the Latin text. Rhys believed it to be 9th century and read it as ET SINGNO CRUCIS IN ILLAM FINGSI ROGO OMNIBUS AMMULANTIBUS IBI EXORENT PRO ANIMA CATUOCONI "and I have provided it with a cross: I ask all who walk in this place to pray for the soul of Cadwgan". Another expert, Professor Burkitt, read the opening words as SIHGNO CRUCIS IH (U) ILTUTUTI FINGSI "with the sign of the cross, I, Illtyd, have fashioned (this monument)". This interpretation would date the Latin text to the time of St Illtyd, who died in around 535.

C cerrig
cerrig Oct 14, 2009 01:40:13
Replying to Branwen

there is a stone in the british museum from the brecon beacons.it's called the "llywel" stone. it's got ogham down the side and on one face is a collection of carved pictures.
it's about 6 feet tall and thin, something like a thick door. it's flat on the top and bottom.
it looks to me like a pillar,just like is found in places like bryn celli ddu.the pictures are similar in style to the images from newgrange,although they have been interpreted as coming from the dark ages,
i think it is from a passage mound but it's origins are unknown,so its just my opinion.there is another ogham stone with latin in the church at defynnog,and this is the same area the llywel stone came from.