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12pointer wrote:
I'm looking for different theories on what the 'cup and ring marks' mean.
i refuse to believe they represent the circle of life, or whatever...
Cairnbaan in Scotland, for instance looks more like a star chart.
What about, that they represent tree rings, i.e. numbers, or recording a chieftans years of rule by carving them into an eternal forest record in rock...
Do you think that in the 'cups' there used to be something? a quartz pebble? and the rings show its Aura at full moon.
Someone said to me they are found around gold and copper deposits, ancient geological markers?

Anyone else got some theories? I want to crack this mystery!

Hiya 12
Without knowlege of the cosmologies of the people who created the carvings we are more or less scratching around in the dark.
We can use anthropology to some extent by looking at cultures who still create carvings such as the San, the Australian Aboriginal tribes, the Zunis etc but you soon realise that even these people cannot decode their own tribes ancient carvings.
So what we're left with is the study of the relationships between the carvings and the landscape, the relationships between carvings and with other monuments, other carvings, trackways, natural features and so on.
There are many things we can say about the carvings but you more or less have to accept that, along with so many other aspects of prehistoric life, their specific meaning is lost. With rock art as with so much else, you generally leave a site with far more questions than answers.
However all is not lost, just because we cannot attribute a specific meaning to the carvings doesn't mean we can't speculate, you'll find most rock art enthusiasts stay pretty much swiss when it comes to meaning but get a beer or two into them and there's usually a theory or two lurking in the back of their mind.
cheers
fitz

Because of context we assume that many of the carvings were made in the earliest days of metalworking and another product of this era was the carving of stone moulds for copper and bronze casting. While the intent can be assumed to be very different certainly the tools used and possibly the craftspeople makers were the same. (Google " croglin stone mould " for an example that is local to me). It would, perhaps, be useful if the stone mould tradition were brought into the rock art fold (metaphorically).

[I am now also pretty convinced that TomBo never found the Kirkhaugh stone circle site and invented his report. A later group visit there spoke of a row of slabs that look like a bankside to an old road is just that - and a fair distance away from the actual stones.]


{Also I've noticed that the Megalithic Portal still has some of my Bolton sites listed. I have a login - or had - there, and may try to wade in and get these sites 'correctly listed' there. I know it's impossible but that doesn't mean don't try.}

I’m new on here, so apologies if my suggestion is outdated. To me, cup and ring marks suggest a sort of spiritual tally system. The cups would represent the individual, the carver, and the rings would indicate how many times some key event have taken place - a ritual, or a pilgrimage perhaps. The lines cutting through might represent genealogy, I.e. from the original mark-maker to their next descendent, or to someone who has replaced their function, like a subsequent priest. Or the lines might represent a completion, e.g. completion of their life, or their tenure. The way that some rings stop at the edge of other rings might suggest that rings were added over a period of time, I.e. they experienced more events than they anticipated when they started their marks.now that we believe that pilgrimages were carried out to important locations like Stonehenge, would this ring-tallying be a good explanation for cup and ring marks? What do you think?

I’m new on here, so apologies if my suggestion is outdated. To me, cup and ring marks suggest a sort of spiritual tally system. The cups would represent the individual, the carver, and the rings would indicate how many times some key event have taken place - a ritual, or a pilgrimage perhaps. The lines cutting through might represent genealogy, I.e. from the original mark-maker to their next descendent, or to someone who has replaced their function, like a subsequent priest. Or the lines might represent a completion, e.g. completion of their life, or their tenure. The way that some rings stop at the edge of other rings might suggest that rings were added over a period of time, I.e. they experienced more events than they anticipated when they started their marks.now that we believe that pilgrimages were carried out to important locations like Stonehenge, would this ring-tallying be a good explanation for cup and ring marks? What do you think?