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I'm looking for different theories on what the 'cup and ring marks' mean.
i refuse to believe they represent the circle of life, or whatever...
Cairnbaan in Scotland, for instance looks more like a star chart.
What about, that they represent tree rings, i.e. numbers, or recording a chieftans years of rule by carving them into an eternal forest record in rock...
Do you think that in the 'cups' there used to be something? a quartz pebble? and the rings show its Aura at full moon.
Someone said to me they are found around gold and copper deposits, ancient geological markers?

Anyone else got some theories? I want to crack this mystery!

These things make me scratch my head too! I heard tell from someone I was visiting over in Kilmartin - that a local fellow thought it was some type of language. I can't remember the name of the professor who suggested that - apologies. Could be the measuring of something in the sky. Then again it could be something so simple and so obvious that it is easy to miss or dismiss.

Keep me posted though! What are more of your theories?

There was a great article on the internet by Kevin L Callahan, but the links dont' seem to work any more, which is a great shame. He is / was an anthropologist at the university of Minnesota, and the article was comparing different rock art round the world, I think.

-So that's a pretty pointless posting Rhiannon. But the itself name might help?

There's so many extremely knowledgeable rock art people here that I'm loathe to say anything but I personally like the idea it's all to do with trance states and images people see when they're in them. That's just my twopenn'orth though (I guess lots of theories of all sorts of things reflect the theorist more than the truth).

Always worth flagging up this nice old page:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5579/folklore.html

Scroll down aways to find Morris' list of 100 theories.

What about water courses in the vacininty underground sources? I am sure if you doused the area you would come up with similar patterns?
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12pointer wrote:
I'm looking for different theories on what the 'cup and ring marks' mean.
i refuse to believe they represent the circle of life, or whatever...
Cairnbaan in Scotland, for instance looks more like a star chart.
What about, that they represent tree rings, i.e. numbers, or recording a chieftans years of rule by carving them into an eternal forest record in rock...
Do you think that in the 'cups' there used to be something? a quartz pebble? and the rings show its Aura at full moon.
Someone said to me they are found around gold and copper deposits, ancient geological markers?

Anyone else got some theories? I want to crack this mystery!

Hiya 12
Without knowlege of the cosmologies of the people who created the carvings we are more or less scratching around in the dark.
We can use anthropology to some extent by looking at cultures who still create carvings such as the San, the Australian Aboriginal tribes, the Zunis etc but you soon realise that even these people cannot decode their own tribes ancient carvings.
So what we're left with is the study of the relationships between the carvings and the landscape, the relationships between carvings and with other monuments, other carvings, trackways, natural features and so on.
There are many things we can say about the carvings but you more or less have to accept that, along with so many other aspects of prehistoric life, their specific meaning is lost. With rock art as with so much else, you generally leave a site with far more questions than answers.
However all is not lost, just because we cannot attribute a specific meaning to the carvings doesn't mean we can't speculate, you'll find most rock art enthusiasts stay pretty much swiss when it comes to meaning but get a beer or two into them and there's usually a theory or two lurking in the back of their mind.
cheers
fitz

Wow, thanks guys, didn't have any replys there for a good while and suddenly there is 29 replys.
So we think the cup and rings represent, most probably, celestial bodies.
We know that the sun played a massive part in our ancient ancestors' lives, so big they may have worshiped it as a religion. As christians carry around the cross and put it up in buildings, so would have the people of old with their sun symbols. The rings representing radiating light, or the colours of the rainbow. Notice many of them have 5 or 7 rings, 5 colours being easily visible red, yellow, green, blue, violet, then the other orange and indigo. The cup marks may represent the other celestial bodies, maybe the other visible planets or other stars. They may show a star chart, or natal chart, of an important date, forever recorded in stone.

I believe that in these holes they may have placed/fixed rounded quartz pebbles (like the golden oracle stones from atlantis, quartz being the golden stone, which unlocked a magical machine, but the machine was just a centre point of concentration and contemplation of the higher self, an aid to enter the trance state) the rings i believe may have been coloured as the colours of the rainbow.

Of course this theory can not work for all of the rock art found but can work as a baisis for other interpretations. We know they did not use letters and so their language would have been based around the use of symbols. In view a language of symbols works much better than letters, as deep concentration on what a picture is telling you helps you to understand it better, and it sinks in better too, as with out letter system of comunicating, you can read it and get the just of it, but have you fully understood it, has it really sunk in?

Another note on the rings is that the central cup can still represent the sun and the rings showing how many times it has circled it, i.e recording years.

The spirals is what gets me. But spirals are very significant. They are the shape that forms galaxys to the spiral in our DNA, spirals can be found in shells, found on the beach and fossilised in most of the rock in Ireland (limestone) Some spirals are anti-clockwise, some are clockwise. Anticyclones and cyclones bring us very different weather depending on the sworl of the spiral. Obviously weather was key to surivial for our ancestors being farmers, so praying to the celestial bodies for rain and sun would have been a main ritual. We know that the shaman/priest/witchdoctor's main job was to contact the gods for the right weather to grow crops and to spare them of natural disaters.

The circle and also the spiral are very sacred shapes, for us now and also back then. These symbols figured highly as a way of life, and spiritual path. Understanding these shapes in this physical realm was key to making an understanding of life and survival.