>Its like trying to catch fish with the rod but no line.<

You've put your finger on it there Cian. There's a wonderful painting called <b>Catfish and Gourd</b> that was painted in 1413 by Josetsu (Rune may know it). The painting shows a peasant standing on a river bank holding a narrow-necked gourd and using it in a vain attempt to catch a catfish as it swims by.

The painting is an example of our attempts to achieve the possible using the impossible :-)