The Doors of Perception

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Rune R
Rune Nov 16, 2005 13:45:20
Replying to cHARLIE

YES! (rightly or wrongly) the drug e and the drug lsd has brought me to such a mind state many many times
whereby I felt a loss of self~identity and a richness of perception and reality felt devine . I believe that these buddhist monks were visiting the same place through meditation.

It's similar, Charlie, but it's not the same thing.

Ahayuasca(sp?) and mescalin, peyote etc. too, drug experiences are just that, drug experiences.

Pleasant, insightful, mystical even, maybe similar, but not the same as Buddhist meditation. There is no quick fix to Nirvana.


Rune

C cHARLIE
cHARLIE Nov 16, 2005 14:09:29
Replying to Rune

so Huxley was wrong then?
(((charrr)))

R Rhiannon
Rhiannon Nov 16, 2005 14:16:37
Replying to Rune

"drug experiences are just that, drug experiences. "

Is that just spiritual snobbery though? It might be harder work to experience mystical things through meditation, dancing etc alone - but that doesn't mean to say people aren't experiencing something important about Reality or Other Worlds just because they use chemicals from plants (rather than ones they've concocted themselves). Surely?

Maybe when Bob from Swindon (or whatever) isn't having a mystical experience if he takes some ayahuasca he got from the local hippy shop. But when a member of an amazonian tribe takes some as part of a culturally approved and recognised ritual in the rainforest, and he's expecting to meet some ancestors and sort out a few points of importance - are you saying that's definitely just a 'drug experience'?