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By George I think you've cracked it C. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I was hoping to get to That Big One In Wiltshire but can't make it this time round. If I bump into any of you guys is there a secret handshake I should know about?
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this place is one of my favourites and not all that far from manchester http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/94 and right by it is the cloud and great views right accross the cheshire countyside. a great place to view any sunrise/sunset. http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/2317