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thesweetcheat wrote: By the way, I see this as legitimately in TMA's remit, the book referred to starts in the Paleolithc and in any case Scotland was effectively prehistoric (i.e. no written records) in the Pictish period too. If anyone would like to carry on the discussion about Scots/Picts/Celts etc. please feel free to do so here. I for one am interested. The Late Upper Paleolithic as was dug up at Howburn? That is always a good start! http://www.biggararchaeology.o[...]eports/018-023-HowburnFarm.pdf Scotland was not effectively prehistoric in the Pictish period (I presume by Pictish period you mean around 300AD until about 843AD). There were plenty of written records from the period 300-843AD. Some still survive. One of the main problems with Scotland's ancient written texts on vellum and parchment and stuff was King Edward and King Henry. They burned down a LOT of our history and most of our written historical documents were destroyed. Texts are rare. Iona has some Pictish Period documents referring to King lists etc but these are written in Latin. Adamnan was writing in Iona in the 7th Century. But like most writings from that period in England, Wales and Ireland they are in Latin. The Galloway crowd had been into writing since St Ninian kicked off at the Isle of Whithorn in the 4th Century. In the 8th century a Whithorn monk wrote the poem "Miracula Nynie Episcopi". Dun Rheged was just along the road at Dunragit and the area around Whithorn has produced 4th and 5th Century Latin inscribed stones. Latinus Stone http://www.whithornpriorymuseu[...]useum/whithornlatinusstone.htm Or this more christiany one. http://www.dumfriesmuseum.demon.co.uk/whitprymuse.gif There's rather famous Cat Stone from the 4th Century from the cist cemetery at Kirkliston. It has some lovely writing on it. http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/e[...]/50719/details/the+cat+stane/# http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/images/l/488207/ There is also the marvellous collection of Latin inscribed Stones from the Antonine Wall and from various forts and installations from Galloway to Angus in the North East. Distance Slabs like these. http://www.antoninewall.org/images/roman_images/F.1969.22.jpg http://www.athenapub.com/scobrn3.GIF Altars like this http://www.antoninewall.org/images/roman_images/altar.jpg Gravestones like this http://www.antoninewall.org/images/roman_images/tombstone.jpg and this http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Img/253350/0072602.jpg Not far from me in the Manor Valley lay the (6th Century) Coninie Stone (now in the Peebles Museyroom). http://www.biggararchaeology.org.uk/images/CONINE_ST_01_260.jpg The Yarrow Stone has some lovely latin writing. It commemorated a BIG battle in the 5th/ 6th century. http://flic.kr/p/8fqbct Scotland was full of literate communities during the Pictish Period. Examples like "The Goddodin" are exceptionally rare and although originally (in all probability) written in Edinburgh and only surviving in a 13th Century copy, part of it refers to the Battel of Strathcarron between the Strathclyde Britons and the Scots of Dalriada. Yet some of the warriors referred to in other parts of the poem are Picts. I'm often down at Gatehouse of Fleet in Galloway. They recently had another dig at Trusty's Hill the site of the Southernmost Pictish Carvings ever found (and lovely they are too). You might find this website helpful and informative. http://gallowaypicts.com/wordp[...]discovering-dark-age-galloway/ Reply | with quote |  9th November 2012ce 21:13 In reply to: Re: Scotland's origins (thesweetcheat) |
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