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<all cultures personify, it is a basic part of being human.>

Not sure *all* cultures do or always have done. You are assuming a lot. Did they before fairly advanced language?

< ... if you're leaving offerings to the pixies/nymphs then you're treating them as god(esse)s, to all intents and purposes. >

No. You're honouring them, but not necessarily worshiping them.

<That seems to me a monotheistic way of thought that would hold true only for the process whereby pantheons become monotheisms. Prehistoric people were animists/pantheists. There was no one god/goddess on top of the heap. All were important.>

No. One sun god. One wind god. One water god. I'm saying one nymph at a well became top-nymph of the nymphs at the well, not of all nymphs everywhere.

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I am talking about when 'awareness' first came to 'mankind'. I'm not talking 10, 000 years ago here, I'm going way further back than that.

Imagine. One person comes across a cave whilst wandering around. As he enters the cave the wind whistles past another entrance and the person here's a roar from within. He's firghtened and thinks that something wants him to stay out, some animal or spirit, so he leaves food to say sorry for intruding and leaves. Is this thing then a god because an offering has been made? Not yet. He tells a story back at camp and then takes them there the next day. Nothing happens. The food offering worked. Now we have a spirit of the cave in place that can be placated, but it's still not a god.

One day, if the offerings are made regularly etc. it may become a god.

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Posted by FourWinds
24th September 2003ce
15:13

(nigelswift, Sep 22, 2003, 10:01)

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  - Does he mean me? (FourWinds, Sep 22, 2003, 12:38)
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Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Jane, Sep 22, 2003, 21:16)
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      - Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Steve Gray, Sep 23, 2003, 00:18)
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        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (nigelswift, Sep 23, 2003, 08:48)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 09:12)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (nigelswift, Sep 23, 2003, 09:25)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Jane, Sep 23, 2003, 09:29)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (nigelswift, Sep 23, 2003, 09:35)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Jane, Sep 23, 2003, 09:46)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (nigelswift, Sep 23, 2003, 09:52)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Jane, Sep 23, 2003, 09:56)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (nigelswift, Sep 23, 2003, 10:08)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Jane, Sep 23, 2003, 10:11)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (nigelswift, Sep 23, 2003, 10:17)
        Re: Radiating Power (treaclechops, Sep 23, 2003, 10:36)
        Re: Radiating Power (Earthstepper, Sep 23, 2003, 10:48)
        Re: Radiating Power (Jane, Sep 23, 2003, 11:09)
        Re: Radiating Power (Earthstepper, Sep 23, 2003, 11:20)
        Re: Radiating Power (Jane, Sep 23, 2003, 11:28)
        Just because it's pretty? (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 10:56)
        splitting hairs? (TomBo, Sep 24, 2003, 01:43)
        Re: splitting hairs? (FourWinds, Sep 24, 2003, 06:51)
        you don't have to! (TomBo, Sep 24, 2003, 13:43)
        Re: you don't have to! (FourWinds, Sep 24, 2003, 14:39)
        Re: you don't have to! (TomBo, Sep 24, 2003, 14:56)
        Re: you don't have to! (FourWinds, Sep 24, 2003, 15:13)
        Re: you don't have to! (TomBo, Sep 24, 2003, 15:37)
        Re: you don't have to! (Moth, Sep 24, 2003, 15:47)
        Re: you don't have to! (FourWinds, Sep 24, 2003, 15:59)
        Oh aye! (Moth, Sep 24, 2003, 17:07)
        Sources (morfe, Sep 24, 2003, 15:51)
        Re: you don't have to! (FourWinds, Sep 24, 2003, 15:57)
        Re: you don't have to! (nigelswift, Sep 24, 2003, 16:07)
        Re: you don't have to! (Steve Gray, Sep 24, 2003, 22:21)
        when is an elf more than an elf? (TomBo, Sep 25, 2003, 00:31)
        Re: when is an elf more than an elf? (FourWinds, Sep 25, 2003, 06:26)
        Re: when is an elf more than an elf? (TomBo, Sep 25, 2003, 16:09)
        sense of self (TomBo, Sep 25, 2003, 23:51)
        ps (TomBo, Sep 25, 2003, 23:52)
        Re: sense of self (morfe, Sep 26, 2003, 00:12)
        Re: sense of self (FourWinds, Sep 26, 2003, 05:43)
        Re: sense of self (FourWinds, Sep 26, 2003, 05:46)
        Re: sense of self (TomBo, Sep 26, 2003, 06:17)
        Re: sense of self (nigelswift, Sep 26, 2003, 07:12)
        Re: sense of self (FourWinds, Sep 26, 2003, 08:24)
        Re: you don't have to! (FourWinds, Sep 24, 2003, 16:04)
        Re: you don't have to! (morfe, Sep 24, 2003, 16:43)
        good resource link (morfe, Sep 24, 2003, 16:54)
        Re: you don't have to! (FourWinds, Sep 24, 2003, 17:05)
        Re: you don't have to! (morfe, Sep 24, 2003, 19:19)
        Re: you don't have to! (FourWinds, Sep 24, 2003, 19:28)
        Re: you don't have to! (morfe, Sep 24, 2003, 19:29)
        Re: you don't have to! (FourWinds, Sep 24, 2003, 19:50)
        Re: you don't have to! (morfe, Sep 24, 2003, 19:58)
        Yup!! (Moth, Sep 25, 2003, 00:23)
        yes (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 13:06)
        Re: yes (Hob, Sep 23, 2003, 16:19)
        Re: Andy Goldsworthy . . . (treaclechops, Sep 23, 2003, 16:38)
        Re: Andy Goldsworthy . . . (Hob, Sep 23, 2003, 16:39)
        Re: Andy Goldsworthy . . . (treaclechops, Sep 23, 2003, 16:41)
        Re: Radiating Power (Steve Gray, Sep 23, 2003, 13:21)
        Exhibit A (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 13:24)
        Exhibit B (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 13:32)
        Re: Exhibit C (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 13:41)
        Eek! (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 13:46)
        Re: Exhibit A (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 13:45)
        Buy a stone (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 14:19)
        Re: Radiating Power (Earthstepper, Sep 23, 2003, 13:53)
        Re: Radiating Power (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 13:59)
        Re: Radiating Power (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 14:01)
        Re: Radiating Power (Earthstepper, Sep 23, 2003, 14:29)
        Re: Radiating Power (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 15:00)
        What is dowsing? (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 15:09)
        Re: What is dowsing? (Earthstepper, Sep 23, 2003, 16:26)
        Re: What is dowsing? (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 16:32)
        Re: What is dowsing? (Hob, Sep 23, 2003, 16:35)
        Re: What is dowsing? (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 16:39)
        Re: What is dowsing? (Hob, Sep 23, 2003, 16:47)
        More about magnetism (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 16:53)
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        Re: More about magnetism (Hob, Sep 23, 2003, 16:55)
        Re: What is dowsing? (Earthstepper, Sep 23, 2003, 16:38)
        Re: What is dowsing? (Hob, Sep 23, 2003, 16:41)
        Re: What is dowsing? (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 16:41)
        Re: What is dowsing? (Hob, Sep 23, 2003, 16:50)
        Re: What is dowsing? (Earthstepper, Sep 23, 2003, 17:33)
        Re: What is dowsing? (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 17:58)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Earthstepper, Sep 23, 2003, 10:19)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (nigelswift, Sep 23, 2003, 10:25)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Earthstepper, Sep 23, 2003, 10:43)
        Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Hob, Sep 23, 2003, 16:37)
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        Ferrari's and Flesh (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 14:16)
        21 senses (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 14:25)
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        Anthroposophising (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 15:41)
        Re: Anthroposophising (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 15:43)
        Re: Anthroposophising (Rhiannon, Sep 23, 2003, 15:46)
        Re: Anthroposophising (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 16:36)
        Re: Anthroposophising (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 15:48)
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        Re: Anthroposophising (Hob, Sep 23, 2003, 16:53)
        Electric Monk (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 17:37)
        Re: Electric Monk (Hob, Sep 24, 2003, 13:07)
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        Re: Electric Monk (Hob, Sep 24, 2003, 22:41)
        Re: Electric Monk (morfe, Sep 25, 2003, 02:36)
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        Re: 21 senses (nigelswift, Sep 23, 2003, 19:59)
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        Re: 21 senses (nigelswift, Sep 23, 2003, 20:55)
        Re: 21 senses (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 21:03)
        Re: Ferrari's and Flesh (Hob, Sep 23, 2003, 16:51)
        Re: Ferrari's and Flesh (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 16:57)
        shit (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 18:19)
        Re: shit (FourWinds, Sep 23, 2003, 21:06)
        Re: Ferrari's and Flesh (morfe, Sep 23, 2003, 17:33)
Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Rhiannon, Sep 23, 2003, 09:46)
Loki (TomBo, Sep 23, 2003, 11:41)
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Trainspotting (baza, Sep 24, 2003, 18:41)
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  - Atom Heart Motherfucker (morfe, Sep 25, 2003, 03:09)
    - Lite version (morfe, Sep 25, 2003, 03:11)
    - In defence of science (Steve Gray, Sep 25, 2003, 22:50)
      - In defence of the Universe! (nigelswift, Sep 25, 2003, 23:42)
      - Re: In defence of science (morfe, Sep 26, 2003, 00:03)
        Re: In defence of science (FourWinds, Sep 26, 2003, 05:58)
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- He doesn't understand what a megarak is (Megalithic, Sep 25, 2003, 00:21)
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      - Re: the midnight lamp (part 1) (FourWinds, Sep 25, 2003, 08:15)
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    - Re: the view from outside (Rhiannon, Sep 25, 2003, 16:25)
      - Re: the view from outside (nigelswift, Sep 25, 2003, 17:42)
      - Re: the view from outside (morfe, Sep 25, 2003, 17:59)
        Re: and another thing... (Rhiannon, Sep 26, 2003, 08:46)
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        Re: and another thing... (Hob, Sep 26, 2003, 15:07)
        Re: and another thing... (Rhiannon, Sep 26, 2003, 15:55)
        Re: and another thing... (Hob, Sep 26, 2003, 16:47)
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AWESOME !! (Shestu, Sep 25, 2003, 17:43)
Re: Tombo's weblogs... (Megalithic, Sep 09, 2006, 19:01)
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