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I think we need to differentiate between evidence and opinion. What have we got at the moment?

1. One reference on Gowland's plan that shows a speckled area with the caption "Probable stoneholes and ramp". (Opinion)

2. Two references from carbon-dating sources, both to hole 56, that refer to construction ramps. In the first reference "the ramp fill" is in quotaion marks (Opinion).

I think the RC people were dating antler fragments and merely used the term "ramp fill" as being the most readily understood description (i.e. fitting with accepted opinion) of where the fragments were found.

It's my guess that Gowland and those that followed have noted the shallow slope on one side of the holes and taken this as evidence of an erection ramp. Because everyone has assumed that ramps were used and no other (known) theory for stone erection would otherwise explain them, this has become the accepted view (Opinion).

If our method is viable and if it also requires a shallow slope on one side of the hole, then it also concurs with the evidence. The chalk fill could just as easily be "hole fill" as "ramp fill".

So as I said before we need to know whether there is some real evidence that negates our method rather than what the current expert opinion is.

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Posted by Steve Gray
18th September 2003ce
09:56

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Re: Ramps?? (GordonP)

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Re: Ramps?? (nigelswift)

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Stone shifting 5

(GordonP, Sep 14, 2003, 12:11)

Stonehengineers Web Site (Steve Gray, Sep 14, 2003, 12:37)
- Re: Stonehengineers Web Site, correction (Steve Gray, Sep 14, 2003, 12:42)
- Re: Stonehengineers Web Site (Wotan, Sep 14, 2003, 21:13)
  - Re: Stonehengineers Web Site (Steve Gray, Sep 14, 2003, 22:45)
    - Re: Stonehengineers Web Site (Moth, Sep 14, 2003, 23:38)
Re: Stone shifting 5 (nigelswift, Sep 14, 2003, 12:48)
- Re: Stone shifting 5 (Moth, Sep 14, 2003, 12:59)
  - Dedication (Steve Gray, Sep 14, 2003, 15:45)
Strong Argument (ocifant, Sep 14, 2003, 20:40)
- Re: Strong Argument (Steve Gray, Sep 14, 2003, 22:34)
Call to Arms (Steve Gray, Sep 14, 2003, 22:58)
- Re: Call to Arms (Steve Gray, Sep 15, 2003, 08:27)
  - Re: Call to Arms (nigelswift, Sep 15, 2003, 09:51)
  - Re: Logo Agogo (Wotan, Sep 15, 2003, 11:54)
Hole Profiles (Steve Gray, Sep 14, 2003, 23:26)
- Re: Hole Profiles (nigelswift, Sep 15, 2003, 07:54)
  - Re: Hole Profiles (nigelswift, Sep 15, 2003, 07:59)
    - Out of the mouths of Neanderthals (FourWinds, Sep 15, 2003, 12:04)
      - Re: Out of the mouths of Neanderthals (Steve Gray, Sep 15, 2003, 13:36)
        Re: Out of the mouths of Neanderthals (FourWinds, Sep 15, 2003, 14:07)
        Re: Out of the mouths of Neanderthals (Steve Gray, Sep 15, 2003, 14:16)
        Re: Out of the mouths of Neanderthals (pebblesfromheaven, Sep 15, 2003, 14:28)
        Re: Out of the mouths of Neanderthals (FourWinds, Sep 15, 2003, 14:51)
        Re: Out of the mouths of Neanderthals (nigelswift, Sep 15, 2003, 19:45)
        Re: Foot Where ? (Wotan, Sep 16, 2003, 08:05)
        Re: Foot Where ? (pebblesfromheaven, Sep 16, 2003, 08:22)
        Re: clunk (Wotan, Sep 16, 2003, 09:00)
        Re: clunk (Steve Gray, Sep 16, 2003, 13:20)
        Re: clunk (pebblesfromheaven, Sep 16, 2003, 17:35)
  - Re: Hole Profiles (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 07:59)
    - Re: Hole Profiles (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 08:27)
      - Re: Hole Profiles (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 08:36)
        Re: Hole Profiles (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 08:46)
        Re: Hole Profiles (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 09:16)
        Re: Hole Profiles (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 09:25)
        Re: Hole Profiles (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 09:31)
        Re: Hole Profiles (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 16:36)
        Re: Hole Profiles (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 16:49)
Neolithic Rope! (nigelswift, Sep 16, 2003, 15:52)
- Re: give 'em enough (Wotan, Sep 16, 2003, 16:19)
  - Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 16, 2003, 17:09)
    - Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 16, 2003, 17:37)
      - Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 16, 2003, 18:09)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 16, 2003, 18:16)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 16, 2003, 18:16)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 16, 2003, 18:24)
      - Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 16, 2003, 18:12)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 16, 2003, 19:36)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 16, 2003, 19:44)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 16, 2003, 22:29)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 04:55)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 08:38)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 08:52)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 09:05)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 09:20)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 09:26)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 08:41)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 08:57)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 09:08)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 09:11)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 08:59)
        Re: Eh? (Wotan, Sep 17, 2003, 09:05)
        Re: Eh? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 09:23)
        Re: inclination (Wotan, Sep 17, 2003, 09:25)
        Re: Eh? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 09:28)
        Re: Eh? (Wotan, Sep 17, 2003, 10:07)
        Re: Eh? (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 10:14)
        Re: LOL! (Wotan, Sep 17, 2003, 10:46)
        Re: Eh? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 11:17)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 09:12)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 09:27)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 09:39)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 09:48)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 10:13)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 11:13)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 12:26)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 12:45)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 13:08)
        Re: Lawn Greene (Wotan, Sep 17, 2003, 13:12)
        Re: Lawn Greene (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 13:41)
        Re: Lawn Greene (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 13:50)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 16:49)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 16:52)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 17:12)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 18:22)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 22:35)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 23:16)
        Re: Do we need ropes? (GordonP, Sep 18, 2003, 09:21)
- Re: Neolithic Rope! (Steve Gray, Sep 16, 2003, 17:18)
  - Re: Neolithic Rope! (GordonP, Sep 16, 2003, 17:33)
  - Re: Neolithic Rope! (nigelswift, Sep 16, 2003, 17:46)
    - Re: Neolithic Rope! (Steve Gray, Sep 16, 2003, 17:53)
      - Re: Neolithic Rope! (GordonP, Sep 16, 2003, 18:03)
  - Re: Neolithic Rope! (FourWinds, Sep 17, 2003, 09:13)
    - Re: Neolithic Rope! (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 09:46)
    - Re: Neolithic Rope! (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 09:49)
      - Re: Neolithic Rope! (FourWinds, Sep 17, 2003, 12:56)
        Re: Neolithic Rope! (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 13:32)
        Re: Neolithic Rope! (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 13:52)
        Re: Neolithic Rope! (nigelswift, Sep 19, 2003, 09:10)
        Re: Neolithic Rope! (GordonP, Sep 19, 2003, 09:31)
- Re: Neolithic Rope! (Earthstepper, Sep 16, 2003, 17:31)
Re: Stone shifting 5 (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 17:34)
- Re: Stone shifting 5 (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 19:14)
  - Re: Stone shifting 5 (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 22:00)
- Re: Stone shifting 5 (jimit, Sep 17, 2003, 19:29)
- Re: think neolithic (Wotan, Sep 17, 2003, 21:06)
  - Re: think neolithic II (Wotan, Sep 17, 2003, 21:13)
    - Re: think neolithic II (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 21:53)
All up in the air again... (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 22:12)
- Re: All up in the air again... (GordonP, Sep 17, 2003, 22:49)
  - Re: All up in the air again... (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 23:00)
  - Re: All up in the air again... (Steve Gray, Sep 17, 2003, 23:21)
    - Re: All up in the air again... (nigelswift, Sep 17, 2003, 23:52)
      - Re: All up in the air again... (nigelswift, Sep 18, 2003, 00:19)
        Re: All up in the air again... (Steve Gray, Sep 18, 2003, 00:24)
      - Re: All up in the air again... (Steve Gray, Sep 18, 2003, 00:21)
        Re: All up in the air again... (nigelswift, Sep 18, 2003, 01:17)
        Re: All up in the air again... (nigelswift, Sep 18, 2003, 01:28)
        Ramps?? (Steve Gray, Sep 18, 2003, 08:56)
        Re: Ramps?? (GordonP, Sep 18, 2003, 09:26)
        Re: Ramps?? (Steve Gray, Sep 18, 2003, 09:56)
        Re: Ramps?? (nigelswift, Sep 18, 2003, 10:16)
        Archaeologist (Steve Gray, Sep 18, 2003, 10:59)
        Re: Archaeologist (GordonP, Sep 18, 2003, 12:06)
        Re: Archaeologist (Steve Gray, Sep 18, 2003, 12:47)
        Re: Archaeologist (nigelswift, Sep 18, 2003, 13:08)
        Re: Archaeologist (GordonP, Sep 18, 2003, 13:14)
        Re: Archaeologist (nigelswift, Sep 18, 2003, 13:23)
        Re: Archaeologist (Steve Gray, Sep 18, 2003, 13:25)
        Re: Archaeologist (nigelswift, Sep 18, 2003, 13:29)
        Re: Archaeologist (nigelswift, Sep 18, 2003, 14:16)
        Re: Archaeologist (GordonP, Sep 18, 2003, 13:05)
        Hydraulic Rams (Steve Gray, Sep 18, 2003, 13:20)
        Re: Hydraulic Rams (GordonP, Sep 18, 2003, 13:44)
Placing the Lintel (Steve Gray, Sep 18, 2003, 12:57)
- Re: Placing the Lintel (GordonP, Sep 18, 2003, 13:11)
  - Re: Placing the Lintel (Steve Gray, Sep 18, 2003, 13:23)
    - Re: working it all out (Wotan, Sep 18, 2003, 14:20)
      - Re: working it all out (nigelswift, Sep 18, 2003, 14:36)
        Re: working it all out (GordonP, Sep 18, 2003, 14:59)
        Re: crooked man (Wotan, Sep 18, 2003, 15:42)

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