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No, my problem (is) that I consider all the land sacred. We are nothing without it, it is everything without us. What can be 'more' than that? Religion has used the term 'sacred', and it may well be born from that, but it offends me. I consider something or somewhere that reminds us that ALL is sacred to be sacred, not somewhere or something that reminds us that some people/land/idea is more 'sacred' than another.

I don't really think anything is 'sacred' to me, it's an odd word, I use it halfheartedly, knowing that everything is mutable within the grand scheme of things, and the Umbra Nihil is neither sanctuary or denial. In saying this, I am as selfish as the next person, and if, say, (factually) the Rollright Stones has played a part in my development (spiritual), then it remains as a place so special in my heart that I would physically fight someone who tried to pull it down. Would that be to 'defend' the 'concept' of my (so called) spiritual awakenings? Maybe, but I know we can think at the cost of feeling. And inevitably, all my arguments come back to spiritual vs empirical reductionism. Which gets us nowhere. Thankfully, archeologist reductionists are also employed in preserving the natural landscape for the rest of us.

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Posted by morfe
31st July 2003ce
17:10

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Re: Got it wrong? (baza)

2 replies:

Re: Got it wrong? (BrigantesNation)

Re: Got it wrong? (baza)

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Sacred Landscapes

(nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 09:05)

Re: Sacred Landscapes (ocifant, Jul 30, 2003, 09:15)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 09:36)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (BrigantesNation, Jul 30, 2003, 10:37)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (Shestu, Jul 30, 2003, 19:21)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (BrigantesNation, Jul 30, 2003, 23:51)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 19:20)
- Are you really ... (FourWinds, Jul 30, 2003, 19:43)
  - Re: Are you really ... (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 19:48)
    - Re: Are you really ... (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:13)
    - Re: Are you really you? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:12)
- Re: Sacred ? (Moon Cat, Jul 30, 2003, 20:57)
- All sacred. (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 20:58)
- Unbelievable (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:03)
  - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 21:34)
    - Re: Unbelievable (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 21:39)
      - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 21:54)
    - Re: Unbelievable (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:41)
      - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 22:03)
        Nasal cavities (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:17)
        Re: Nasal cavities (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 22:38)
        definition of Sacred? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:52)
        Re: definition of Sacred? (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 23:34)
        Re: definition of Sacred? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:20)
        Re: Nasal cavities (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 00:10)
        Re: Nasal cavities (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 00:08)
  - Re: Unbelievable (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:40)
    - Re: Unbelievable (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 21:47)
      - Re: Unbelievable (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:57)
        Re: Unbelievable (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 22:02)
        Re: Unbelievable (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 22:14)
        non-belief/sexy? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:37)
        Am I missing something? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:29)
    - Re: Unbelievable (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 00:28)
      - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 00:57)
        Re: Unbelievable (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 01:39)
- Nothing is sacred (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:22)
  - Re: Nothing is sacred (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 21:45)
    - Got it wrong? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:50)
      - Re: Got it wrong? (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 22:31)
        Re: Got it wrong? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:23)
        Re: Got it wrong? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 01:22)
        Is it? (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 01:44)
        Re: Is it? (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 06:44)
        And ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 06:50)
        Well no.. (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 08:03)
        Re: Well no.. (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 09:16)
        Ritual landscape overlays (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 09:30)
        Re: Leafy Ritual landscape overlays (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 09:39)
        Re: Leafy Ritual landscape overlays (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 09:56)
        The power of ritual, rituals of power (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 10:05)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 10:29)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 10:53)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 11:38)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 11:50)
        Powerful barrows (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 12:08)
        Re: Powerful barrows (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 17:40)
        Well yes ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:26)
        Re: Well yes ... (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 16:55)
        Don't stop ... (AtomicMutton, Jul 31, 2003, 08:03)
        Re: Got it wrong? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:10)
        Re: Got it wrong? (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 17:35)
        Effect (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:42)
        Re: Got it wrong? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 17:51)
        Sacred Shit. (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:17)
        "a link with the land" (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:53)
        Re: Sacred Shit. (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:03)
    - Sacred is... (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:52)
      - Re: Sacred is... (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:57)
        Re: Sacred is... (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 22:04)
        Re: Sacred is... (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:56)
        Re: Sacred is... (Kammer, Jul 31, 2003, 08:37)
        Babies '!!!!' and the land (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:56)
        Re: Babies '!!!!' and the land (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 16:47)
        Re: Babies '!!!!' and the land (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 17:30)
        Re: Babies '!!!!' and the land (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 19:38)
    - Re: sacred in the eye? (Moon Cat, Jul 30, 2003, 23:46)
      - Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 00:26)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 14:08)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:01)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 19:43)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:48)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:56)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 20:25)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:16)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:19)
        Shouldn't have said a word! (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 21:24)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 21:26)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:30)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:34)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:49)
        Oi! (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:53)
        Re: Oi! (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 22:09)
        Aaaah! (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:23)
        Re: Aaaah! (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 22:25)
        Re: Aaaah! (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:29)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 21:38)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (pure joy, Aug 03, 2003, 11:25)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Aug 03, 2003, 12:05)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:44)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:45)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:50)
    - Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:57)
      - Re: Sacred Landscapes (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 14:13)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:11)
Interesting cross-cultural article (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:14)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 21:34)
words and power (Annexus Quam, Jul 30, 2003, 21:39)
- Re: words and power (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:46)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 21:59)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:04)
- Hey Nigel of Stourport (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:21)
  - Re: Hey Nigel of Stourport (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 22:57)
    - Every Holiday (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:07)
      - Re: Every Holiday (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 23:32)
        Re: Every Holiday (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:50)
        Re: Every Holiday (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 00:09)
        Re: Every Holiday (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 00:13)
        Re: Every Holiday (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 06:55)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 22:31)
  - Society so different? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:46)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 22:51)
    - Re: Sacred Landscapes (pure joy, Jul 31, 2003, 00:16)
      - Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 00:23)
      - A demon writes (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 15:48)
    - Re: Sacred Landscapes (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 01:51)
Am I really me? (FourWinds, Jul 30, 2003, 23:35)
- FW (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:55)
- Re: Am I really me? (pure joy, Jul 31, 2003, 00:27)
  - Re: Am I really me? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 00:31)
    - Re: Am I really me? (pure joy, Jul 31, 2003, 01:11)
      - Re: Am I really me? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 15:51)
  - Re: Am I really me? (Moon Cat, Jul 31, 2003, 01:17)
    - Beautiful Thread! (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 04:27)
    - Re: Am I really me? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 15:53)
Nature (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 09:58)
- Are you me... (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 10:38)
- Re: Nature (ocifant, Jul 31, 2003, 10:39)
  - Re: Paganism (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 11:21)
    - Re: Paganism (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 12:01)
  - The Golden Bough (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 12:04)
    - Re: The Golden Bough (ocifant, Jul 31, 2003, 12:06)
      - Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:10)
      - Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:25)
        Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:28)
    - Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:08)
      - Re: The Golden Bough (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 12:18)
    - Fraser ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:37)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (moss, Jul 31, 2003, 11:25)
TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 11:25)
- Re: TimeGhost (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 11:39)
  - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 11:52)
    - Re: TimeGhost (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 12:12)
      - Re: TimeGhost (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 12:26)
        Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:39)
        Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:46)
        Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:48)
        The problem there is ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:54)
        Re: The problem there is ... (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 12:57)
        Must it be organized? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 18:12)
        Re: Must it be organized? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 18:56)
        Re: Must it be organized? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 19:03)
        Re: Must it be organized? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 19:15)
        Re: Must it be organized? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:27)
        Exclusion (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 19:26)
        Re: Exclusion (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 19:55)
        Re: Exclusion (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 20:14)
        Re: TimeGhost (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 16:09)
        Pantheism? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:50)
        Re: Pantheism? (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 20:54)
        Only (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 20:58)
        Tombo... (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:32)
        Re: Tombo... (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:40)
        Re: Pantheism? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:28)
- Re: TimeGhost (Jane, Jul 31, 2003, 12:31)
  - Re: TimeGhost (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 12:53)
    - Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:56)
    - Re: TimeGhost (Jane, Jul 31, 2003, 14:14)
      - Joseph Campbell (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 18:49)
    - Spot on (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:20)
      - BTW... (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:59)
    - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 20:59)
  - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:39)
- Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:39)
  - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:41)
    - Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:45)
    - Re: TimeGhost (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:24)
      - Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 18:20)
        Re: TimeGhost (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:40)
        addendum (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:43)
        Re: addendum (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 19:33)
        Sterilization (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:45)
        Re: Sterilization (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 19:57)
        Off topic warning. (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 20:04)
        Re: Sterilization (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 20:16)
        adendum (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 20:17)
        nuthink iz sacred (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 20:24)
        Re: Sterilization (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 20:45)
        Subverted at last... (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:46)
        Re: Sterilisation (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 22:01)
        Re: Sterilisation (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:16)
        Re: Sterilisation (Shestu, Aug 01, 2003, 02:58)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 22:15)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:17)
a cognitive theory of the sacred (TomBo, Jan 20, 2004, 01:03)
- Re: a cognitive theory of the sacred (nigelswift, Jan 20, 2004, 01:35)

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