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What a rip-snorter of a thread! I've sat back and read with joy and wonder (They both enjoyed it too but Joy's gone home now and Wonder's wandered off or something like that)

So. I must say that I appreciate what Baza said at the start, but I would phrase it somewhat differently.

I cannot supply an answer to the original question, because I personally consider nothing sacred'. As Baza says *everything* has the potential to be sacred to *someone* *somewhere*, but don't expect me to join in.

I can stand back, look at a scene, look at a panorama, and go "WOW! Someone might consider this sacred and I think I can see why! but I'll just enjoy it for what I perceive it to be - bloody lovely"

I'm not going to start revering it. I might cherish it (or is that the same thing in denial? dunno).

I will never try and second guess the 'religious' beliefs of a people of whom we have no idea about. We have some big clues, but it's how we interpret them that shapes our ideas about their lives.

Here's a stupid thought. Ever wondered why so few people are intered in some tombs? Massive structures with just 3 or 4 burials/cremations in them? Perhaps they are the gates to HELL! And that significant hill on the horizon is actually the gateway to hell and the 'tomb' has been placed *there* so that the lost souls of those intered within go stright there!

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Posted by FourWinds
30th July 2003ce
23:35

In reply to:

Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift)

2 replies:

FW (morfe)

Re: Am I really me? (pure joy)

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Sacred Landscapes

(nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 09:05)

Re: Sacred Landscapes (ocifant, Jul 30, 2003, 09:15)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 09:36)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (BrigantesNation, Jul 30, 2003, 10:37)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (Shestu, Jul 30, 2003, 19:21)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (BrigantesNation, Jul 30, 2003, 23:51)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 19:20)
- Are you really ... (FourWinds, Jul 30, 2003, 19:43)
  - Re: Are you really ... (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 19:48)
    - Re: Are you really ... (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:13)
    - Re: Are you really you? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:12)
- Re: Sacred ? (Moon Cat, Jul 30, 2003, 20:57)
- All sacred. (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 20:58)
- Unbelievable (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:03)
  - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 21:34)
    - Re: Unbelievable (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 21:39)
      - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 21:54)
    - Re: Unbelievable (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:41)
      - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 22:03)
        Nasal cavities (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:17)
        Re: Nasal cavities (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 22:38)
        definition of Sacred? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:52)
        Re: definition of Sacred? (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 23:34)
        Re: definition of Sacred? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:20)
        Re: Nasal cavities (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 00:10)
        Re: Nasal cavities (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 00:08)
  - Re: Unbelievable (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:40)
    - Re: Unbelievable (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 21:47)
      - Re: Unbelievable (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:57)
        Re: Unbelievable (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 22:02)
        Re: Unbelievable (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 22:14)
        non-belief/sexy? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:37)
        Am I missing something? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:29)
    - Re: Unbelievable (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 00:28)
      - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 00:57)
        Re: Unbelievable (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 01:39)
- Nothing is sacred (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:22)
  - Re: Nothing is sacred (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 21:45)
    - Got it wrong? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:50)
      - Re: Got it wrong? (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 22:31)
        Re: Got it wrong? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:23)
        Re: Got it wrong? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 01:22)
        Is it? (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 01:44)
        Re: Is it? (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 06:44)
        And ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 06:50)
        Well no.. (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 08:03)
        Re: Well no.. (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 09:16)
        Ritual landscape overlays (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 09:30)
        Re: Leafy Ritual landscape overlays (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 09:39)
        Re: Leafy Ritual landscape overlays (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 09:56)
        The power of ritual, rituals of power (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 10:05)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 10:29)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 10:53)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 11:38)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 11:50)
        Powerful barrows (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 12:08)
        Re: Powerful barrows (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 17:40)
        Well yes ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:26)
        Re: Well yes ... (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 16:55)
        Don't stop ... (AtomicMutton, Jul 31, 2003, 08:03)
        Re: Got it wrong? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:10)
        Re: Got it wrong? (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 17:35)
        Effect (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:42)
        Re: Got it wrong? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 17:51)
        Sacred Shit. (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:17)
        "a link with the land" (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:53)
        Re: Sacred Shit. (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:03)
    - Sacred is... (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:52)
      - Re: Sacred is... (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:57)
        Re: Sacred is... (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 22:04)
        Re: Sacred is... (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:56)
        Re: Sacred is... (Kammer, Jul 31, 2003, 08:37)
        Babies '!!!!' and the land (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:56)
        Re: Babies '!!!!' and the land (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 16:47)
        Re: Babies '!!!!' and the land (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 17:30)
        Re: Babies '!!!!' and the land (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 19:38)
    - Re: sacred in the eye? (Moon Cat, Jul 30, 2003, 23:46)
      - Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 00:26)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 14:08)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:01)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 19:43)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:48)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:56)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 20:25)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:16)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:19)
        Shouldn't have said a word! (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 21:24)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 21:26)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:30)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:34)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:49)
        Oi! (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:53)
        Re: Oi! (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 22:09)
        Aaaah! (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:23)
        Re: Aaaah! (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 22:25)
        Re: Aaaah! (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:29)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 21:38)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (pure joy, Aug 03, 2003, 11:25)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Aug 03, 2003, 12:05)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:44)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:45)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:50)
    - Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:57)
      - Re: Sacred Landscapes (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 14:13)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:11)
Interesting cross-cultural article (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:14)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 21:34)
words and power (Annexus Quam, Jul 30, 2003, 21:39)
- Re: words and power (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:46)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 21:59)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:04)
- Hey Nigel of Stourport (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:21)
  - Re: Hey Nigel of Stourport (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 22:57)
    - Every Holiday (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:07)
      - Re: Every Holiday (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 23:32)
        Re: Every Holiday (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:50)
        Re: Every Holiday (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 00:09)
        Re: Every Holiday (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 00:13)
        Re: Every Holiday (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 06:55)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 22:31)
  - Society so different? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:46)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 22:51)
    - Re: Sacred Landscapes (pure joy, Jul 31, 2003, 00:16)
      - Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 00:23)
      - A demon writes (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 15:48)
    - Re: Sacred Landscapes (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 01:51)
Am I really me? (FourWinds, Jul 30, 2003, 23:35)
- FW (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:55)
- Re: Am I really me? (pure joy, Jul 31, 2003, 00:27)
  - Re: Am I really me? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 00:31)
    - Re: Am I really me? (pure joy, Jul 31, 2003, 01:11)
      - Re: Am I really me? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 15:51)
  - Re: Am I really me? (Moon Cat, Jul 31, 2003, 01:17)
    - Beautiful Thread! (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 04:27)
    - Re: Am I really me? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 15:53)
Nature (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 09:58)
- Are you me... (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 10:38)
- Re: Nature (ocifant, Jul 31, 2003, 10:39)
  - Re: Paganism (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 11:21)
    - Re: Paganism (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 12:01)
  - The Golden Bough (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 12:04)
    - Re: The Golden Bough (ocifant, Jul 31, 2003, 12:06)
      - Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:10)
      - Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:25)
        Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:28)
    - Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:08)
      - Re: The Golden Bough (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 12:18)
    - Fraser ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:37)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (moss, Jul 31, 2003, 11:25)
TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 11:25)
- Re: TimeGhost (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 11:39)
  - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 11:52)
    - Re: TimeGhost (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 12:12)
      - Re: TimeGhost (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 12:26)
        Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:39)
        Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:46)
        Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:48)
        The problem there is ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:54)
        Re: The problem there is ... (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 12:57)
        Must it be organized? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 18:12)
        Re: Must it be organized? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 18:56)
        Re: Must it be organized? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 19:03)
        Re: Must it be organized? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 19:15)
        Re: Must it be organized? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:27)
        Exclusion (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 19:26)
        Re: Exclusion (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 19:55)
        Re: Exclusion (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 20:14)
        Re: TimeGhost (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 16:09)
        Pantheism? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:50)
        Re: Pantheism? (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 20:54)
        Only (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 20:58)
        Tombo... (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:32)
        Re: Tombo... (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:40)
        Re: Pantheism? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:28)
- Re: TimeGhost (Jane, Jul 31, 2003, 12:31)
  - Re: TimeGhost (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 12:53)
    - Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:56)
    - Re: TimeGhost (Jane, Jul 31, 2003, 14:14)
      - Joseph Campbell (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 18:49)
    - Spot on (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:20)
      - BTW... (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:59)
    - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 20:59)
  - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:39)
- Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:39)
  - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:41)
    - Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:45)
    - Re: TimeGhost (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:24)
      - Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 18:20)
        Re: TimeGhost (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:40)
        addendum (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:43)
        Re: addendum (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 19:33)
        Sterilization (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:45)
        Re: Sterilization (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 19:57)
        Off topic warning. (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 20:04)
        Re: Sterilization (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 20:16)
        adendum (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 20:17)
        nuthink iz sacred (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 20:24)
        Re: Sterilization (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 20:45)
        Subverted at last... (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:46)
        Re: Sterilisation (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 22:01)
        Re: Sterilisation (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:16)
        Re: Sterilisation (Shestu, Aug 01, 2003, 02:58)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 22:15)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:17)
a cognitive theory of the sacred (TomBo, Jan 20, 2004, 01:03)
- Re: a cognitive theory of the sacred (nigelswift, Jan 20, 2004, 01:35)

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