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"And that`s exactly the point that gets up our non-religious, non-spiritual noses, because, although we freely accept that it is sacred to them, to us it can not be."

In trying to understand that comment, I try and look at my own reactions to Christian 'sacred' space. Being no Christian whatsoever I can imagine how a Christian may feel about a certain place that i go to *be*. It COULD be sacred to them, as many Christians believe all 'nature' to be the work of God. But it would be 'sacred' to them for different reaons. I argue that 'my' sacred space is far more selfish, less pious, but at least honest. Sacred also means non-religous sanctity, and in that Moon Cat's remark about football grounds is spot on. Old Trafford may not be sacred to Arsenal supporters, but football is. Football may not be sacred to a golfer, but SPORT may be. And on, and on...

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Posted by morfe
30th July 2003ce
22:17

(nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 09:05)

Re: Sacred Landscapes (ocifant, Jul 30, 2003, 09:15)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 09:36)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (BrigantesNation, Jul 30, 2003, 10:37)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (Shestu, Jul 30, 2003, 19:21)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (BrigantesNation, Jul 30, 2003, 23:51)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 19:20)
- Are you really ... (FourWinds, Jul 30, 2003, 19:43)
  - Re: Are you really ... (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 19:48)
    - Re: Are you really ... (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:13)
    - Re: Are you really you? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:12)
- Re: Sacred ? (Moon Cat, Jul 30, 2003, 20:57)
- All sacred. (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 20:58)
- Unbelievable (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:03)
  - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 21:34)
    - Re: Unbelievable (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 21:39)
      - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 21:54)
    - Re: Unbelievable (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:41)
      - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 22:03)
        Nasal cavities (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:17)
        Re: Nasal cavities (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 22:38)
        definition of Sacred? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:52)
        Re: definition of Sacred? (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 23:34)
        Re: definition of Sacred? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:20)
        Re: Nasal cavities (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 00:10)
        Re: Nasal cavities (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 00:08)
  - Re: Unbelievable (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:40)
    - Re: Unbelievable (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 21:47)
      - Re: Unbelievable (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:57)
        Re: Unbelievable (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 22:02)
        Re: Unbelievable (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 22:14)
        non-belief/sexy? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:37)
        Am I missing something? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:29)
    - Re: Unbelievable (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 00:28)
      - Re: Unbelievable (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 00:57)
        Re: Unbelievable (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 01:39)
- Nothing is sacred (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:22)
  - Re: Nothing is sacred (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 21:45)
    - Got it wrong? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:50)
      - Re: Got it wrong? (baza, Jul 30, 2003, 22:31)
        Re: Got it wrong? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:23)
        Re: Got it wrong? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 01:22)
        Is it? (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 01:44)
        Re: Is it? (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 06:44)
        And ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 06:50)
        Well no.. (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 08:03)
        Re: Well no.. (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 09:16)
        Ritual landscape overlays (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 09:30)
        Re: Leafy Ritual landscape overlays (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 09:39)
        Re: Leafy Ritual landscape overlays (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 09:56)
        The power of ritual, rituals of power (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 10:05)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 10:29)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 10:53)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 11:38)
        Re: The power of ritual, rituals of power (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 11:50)
        Powerful barrows (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 12:08)
        Re: Powerful barrows (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 17:40)
        Well yes ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:26)
        Re: Well yes ... (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 16:55)
        Don't stop ... (AtomicMutton, Jul 31, 2003, 08:03)
        Re: Got it wrong? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:10)
        Re: Got it wrong? (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 17:35)
        Effect (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:42)
        Re: Got it wrong? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 17:51)
        Sacred Shit. (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:17)
        "a link with the land" (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:53)
        Re: Sacred Shit. (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:03)
    - Sacred is... (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:52)
      - Re: Sacred is... (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:57)
        Re: Sacred is... (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 22:04)
        Re: Sacred is... (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:56)
        Re: Sacred is... (Kammer, Jul 31, 2003, 08:37)
        Babies '!!!!' and the land (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 13:56)
        Re: Babies '!!!!' and the land (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 16:47)
        Re: Babies '!!!!' and the land (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 17:30)
        Re: Babies '!!!!' and the land (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 19:38)
    - Re: sacred in the eye? (Moon Cat, Jul 30, 2003, 23:46)
      - Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 00:26)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 14:08)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:01)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 19:43)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:48)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:56)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 20:25)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:16)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:19)
        Shouldn't have said a word! (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 21:24)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 21:26)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:30)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:34)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:49)
        Oi! (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:53)
        Re: Oi! (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 22:09)
        Aaaah! (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:23)
        Re: Aaaah! (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 22:25)
        Re: Aaaah! (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:29)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 21:38)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (pure joy, Aug 03, 2003, 11:25)
        Re: sacred in the eye? (nigelswift, Aug 03, 2003, 12:05)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:44)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:45)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 21:50)
    - Re: Sacred Landscapes (Kammer, Jul 30, 2003, 21:57)
      - Re: Sacred Landscapes (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 14:13)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:11)
Interesting cross-cultural article (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:14)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (wychburyman, Jul 30, 2003, 21:34)
words and power (Annexus Quam, Jul 30, 2003, 21:39)
- Re: words and power (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 21:46)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 21:59)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:04)
- Hey Nigel of Stourport (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:21)
  - Re: Hey Nigel of Stourport (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 22:57)
    - Every Holiday (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:07)
      - Re: Every Holiday (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 23:32)
        Re: Every Holiday (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:50)
        Re: Every Holiday (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 00:09)
        Re: Every Holiday (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 00:13)
        Re: Every Holiday (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 06:55)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (pure joy, Jul 30, 2003, 22:31)
  - Society so different? (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 22:46)
  - Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 30, 2003, 22:51)
    - Re: Sacred Landscapes (pure joy, Jul 31, 2003, 00:16)
      - Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 00:23)
      - A demon writes (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 15:48)
    - Re: Sacred Landscapes (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 01:51)
Am I really me? (FourWinds, Jul 30, 2003, 23:35)
- FW (morfe, Jul 30, 2003, 23:55)
- Re: Am I really me? (pure joy, Jul 31, 2003, 00:27)
  - Re: Am I really me? (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 00:31)
    - Re: Am I really me? (pure joy, Jul 31, 2003, 01:11)
      - Re: Am I really me? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 15:51)
  - Re: Am I really me? (Moon Cat, Jul 31, 2003, 01:17)
    - Beautiful Thread! (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 04:27)
    - Re: Am I really me? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 15:53)
Nature (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 09:58)
- Are you me... (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 10:38)
- Re: Nature (ocifant, Jul 31, 2003, 10:39)
  - Re: Paganism (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 11:21)
    - Re: Paganism (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 12:01)
  - The Golden Bough (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 12:04)
    - Re: The Golden Bough (ocifant, Jul 31, 2003, 12:06)
      - Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:10)
      - Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:25)
        Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:28)
    - Re: The Golden Bough (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:08)
      - Re: The Golden Bough (Annexus Quam, Jul 31, 2003, 12:18)
    - Fraser ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:37)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (moss, Jul 31, 2003, 11:25)
TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 11:25)
- Re: TimeGhost (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 11:39)
  - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 11:52)
    - Re: TimeGhost (BrigantesNation, Jul 31, 2003, 12:12)
      - Re: TimeGhost (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 12:26)
        Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:39)
        Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:46)
        Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:48)
        The problem there is ... (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:54)
        Re: The problem there is ... (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 12:57)
        Must it be organized? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 18:12)
        Re: Must it be organized? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 18:56)
        Re: Must it be organized? (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 19:03)
        Re: Must it be organized? (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 19:15)
        Re: Must it be organized? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:27)
        Exclusion (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 19:26)
        Re: Exclusion (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 19:55)
        Re: Exclusion (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 20:14)
        Re: TimeGhost (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 16:09)
        Pantheism? (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:50)
        Re: Pantheism? (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 20:54)
        Only (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 20:58)
        Tombo... (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:32)
        Re: Tombo... (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:40)
        Re: Pantheism? (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:28)
- Re: TimeGhost (Jane, Jul 31, 2003, 12:31)
  - Re: TimeGhost (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 12:53)
    - Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:56)
    - Re: TimeGhost (Jane, Jul 31, 2003, 14:14)
      - Joseph Campbell (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 18:49)
    - Spot on (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:20)
      - BTW... (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 21:59)
    - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 20:59)
  - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 21:39)
- Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:39)
  - Re: TimeGhost (TomBo, Jul 31, 2003, 12:41)
    - Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 12:45)
    - Re: TimeGhost (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 17:24)
      - Re: TimeGhost (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 18:20)
        Re: TimeGhost (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:40)
        addendum (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 18:43)
        Re: addendum (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 19:33)
        Sterilization (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 19:45)
        Re: Sterilization (Shestu, Jul 31, 2003, 19:57)
        Off topic warning. (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 20:04)
        Re: Sterilization (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 20:16)
        adendum (FourWinds, Jul 31, 2003, 20:17)
        nuthink iz sacred (morfe, Jul 31, 2003, 20:24)
        Re: Sterilization (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 20:45)
        Subverted at last... (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 21:46)
        Re: Sterilisation (baza, Jul 31, 2003, 22:01)
        Re: Sterilisation (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:16)
        Re: Sterilisation (Shestu, Aug 01, 2003, 02:58)
Re: Sacred Landscapes (nigelswift, Jul 31, 2003, 22:15)
- Re: Sacred Landscapes (Moth, Jul 31, 2003, 22:17)
a cognitive theory of the sacred (TomBo, Jan 20, 2004, 01:03)
- Re: a cognitive theory of the sacred (nigelswift, Jan 20, 2004, 01:35)

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