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Reference Tombo’s original supposition that the bible is vague about the Fall I think that's questionable. It's not specific, but it's clear if you know what I mean. I can’t be bothered to post it all but there are loads of sites that give chapter and verse (literally) on what happened. God said don’t, or you’ll die, Adam did, Satan fell (at or before this time) and although Adam didn’t die for another 200 years there are zillions of specific references showing that the original “die” had meant “be withdrawn from God” and that all subsequent humans have been born in sin. I’m sure early Xtians would have got the full message, long before Milton.

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Posted by nigelswift
29th June 2003ce
16:22

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Footnote (FourWinds)

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Re: Footnote (Shestu)

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Spirit of Place

(Shestu, Jun 26, 2003, 21:11)

Re: Spirit of Place (FourWinds, Jun 26, 2003, 21:16)
- Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 26, 2003, 21:24)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (TomBo, Jun 26, 2003, 21:54)
    - stone him! (TomBo, Jun 26, 2003, 23:19)
      - Stoned Cure ! (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 20:55)
        Jelly Roll Morton (TomBo, Jun 27, 2003, 21:54)
        Re: Jelly Roll Morton (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 22:07)
- Re: Spirit of Place (Kammer, Jun 30, 2003, 10:58)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (nigelswift, Jun 30, 2003, 11:19)
    - Re: Spirit of Place (Kammer, Jun 30, 2003, 11:40)
      - Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jul 01, 2003, 06:34)
        Re: Spirit of Place (FourWinds, Jul 01, 2003, 07:30)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Kammer, Jul 01, 2003, 10:30)
Re: Spirit of Place (nigelswift, Jun 26, 2003, 21:25)
- Re: Spirit of Place (TomBo, Jun 26, 2003, 23:50)
- Re: Spirit of Place (Moth, Jun 27, 2003, 00:09)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 00:17)
    - Re: Spirit of Place (Moth, Jun 27, 2003, 00:33)
      - Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 00:43)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Moth, Jun 27, 2003, 00:57)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 06:14)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Moth, Jun 27, 2003, 11:39)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (FourWinds, Jun 27, 2003, 08:23)
    - Re: Spirit of Place (Moth, Jun 27, 2003, 11:49)
Re: Spirit of Place (Pete G, Jun 26, 2003, 21:25)
- Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 26, 2003, 21:30)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (nigelswift, Jun 26, 2003, 21:36)
    - Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 26, 2003, 21:56)
      - Re: Spirit of Place (TomBo, Jun 26, 2003, 22:01)
        Re: Spirit of Place (nigelswift, Jun 26, 2003, 22:13)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 26, 2003, 22:22)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Pete G, Jun 26, 2003, 22:53)
        Re: Spirit of Place (TomBo, Jun 26, 2003, 23:02)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Pete G, Jun 26, 2003, 23:18)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Moth, Jun 26, 2003, 23:57)
Re: Spirit of Place (fitzcoraldo, Jun 26, 2003, 21:33)
- Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 26, 2003, 21:35)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (fitzcoraldo, Jun 26, 2003, 21:41)
    - Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 26, 2003, 21:45)
      - Re: Spirit of Place (fitzcoraldo, Jun 26, 2003, 22:04)
explaining myself (TomBo, Jun 26, 2003, 21:52)
- Re: explaining myself (Shestu, Jun 26, 2003, 22:08)
  - Re: explaining myself (TomBo, Jun 26, 2003, 22:29)
    - Re: explaining myself (Shestu, Jun 26, 2003, 22:38)
      - Re: explaining myself (TomBo, Jun 26, 2003, 23:02)
Re: Spirit of Place (wychburyman, Jun 27, 2003, 08:21)
Re: Genius Loci (Wotan, Jun 27, 2003, 10:08)
Tombo and Shestu (nigelswift, Jun 27, 2003, 10:08)
- Re: Tombo and Shestu, there's more... (nigelswift, Jun 27, 2003, 10:10)
  - Wow Nigelswift (pebblesfromheaven, Jun 27, 2003, 10:16)
    - Re: places and buildings (Joanna, Jun 27, 2003, 10:21)
    - Miss Pebbles says ... (FourWinds, Jun 27, 2003, 10:30)
      - Re: Miss Pebbles says ... (pebblesfromheaven, Jun 27, 2003, 10:34)
      - Re: Miss Pebbles says ... (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 16:12)
        Re: Miss Pebbles says ... (nigelswift, Jun 27, 2003, 16:55)
        Re: Miss Pebbles says ... (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 17:06)
        Re: Miss Pebbles says ... (nigelswift, Jun 27, 2003, 17:17)
        Re: Miss Pebbles says ... (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 17:27)
        Re: Miss Pebbles says ... (nigelswift, Jun 27, 2003, 17:49)
        Re: Miss Pebbles says ... (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 17:59)
        Re: Miss Pebbles indeed says ... (pebblesfromheaven, Jun 27, 2003, 18:10)
        Re: Lost yer Virginity (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 18:25)
        Mr Nigelswift says... (Moth, Jun 27, 2003, 17:07)
        You are the skeptic, not me. (FourWinds, Jun 28, 2003, 09:03)
        Quibbling Skeptic (Shestu, Jun 28, 2003, 18:10)
        Re: Quibbling Skeptic (FourWinds, Jun 28, 2003, 22:45)
        Re: Quibbling Skeptic (Shestu, Jun 28, 2003, 22:54)
        Re: Quibbling Skeptic (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 11:44)
        Re: Quibbling Skeptic (Shestu, Jun 29, 2003, 15:04)
        Unity! (TomBo, Jul 01, 2003, 14:01)
        And Still More Unity! (TomBo, Jul 01, 2003, 14:02)
        Here! Here! (Jane, Jul 01, 2003, 16:03)
        Good grief! (FourWinds, Jul 01, 2003, 16:05)
        I know! (TomBo, Jul 01, 2003, 20:31)
  - Aha...! (Moth, Jun 27, 2003, 11:59)
  - Re: Tombo and Shestu, there's more... (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 15:52)
  - it took up several beermats! (TomBo, Jun 27, 2003, 22:28)
    - ...here's the second bit (TomBo, Jun 27, 2003, 22:28)
      - Re: ...here's the second bit (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 22:42)
      - Re: ...here's the second bit (nigelswift, Jun 27, 2003, 23:35)
        Re: ...here's the second bit (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 23:47)
      - Not done! (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 21:35)
      - Not done! (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 21:35)
        Re: Not done! (TomBo, Jun 30, 2003, 14:57)
        Re: Not done! (morfe, Jun 30, 2003, 19:10)
        Re: Not done! (morfe, Jun 30, 2003, 20:08)
    - Re: it took up several beermats! (FourWinds, Jun 28, 2003, 09:08)
      - Whoops! Complete bollcoks! (FourWinds, Jun 28, 2003, 22:48)
        NOT COMPLETE BOLLOCKS (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 11:54)
        Footnote (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 11:59)
        Re: Footnote (Shestu, Jun 29, 2003, 15:15)
        Re: Footnote (nigelswift, Jun 29, 2003, 16:22)
        Re: Footnote (Shestu, Jun 29, 2003, 16:41)
        Re: Footnote (nigelswift, Jun 29, 2003, 16:54)
        The world without war? (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 20:00)
        Re: The world without war? (Joanna, Jun 30, 2003, 14:24)
        Re: The world without war? (Shestu, Jul 01, 2003, 09:01)
        Re: The world without war? (Shestu, Jul 01, 2003, 09:05)
        Re: The world without war? (FourWinds, Jul 01, 2003, 10:06)
        Re: The world without war? (nigelswift, Jul 01, 2003, 10:24)
        mindset? (morfe, Jul 01, 2003, 10:35)
        Re-read your comments! (Shestu, Jul 01, 2003, 16:04)
        Re: Re-read your comments! (FourWinds, Jul 01, 2003, 16:07)
        Re: Re-read your comments! (Joanna, Jul 01, 2003, 16:20)
        Ah Fuck it! (FourWinds, Jul 02, 2003, 12:30)
        Re: Ah Fuck it! (wychburyman, Jul 02, 2003, 13:41)
        Re: Ah Fuck it! (FourWinds, Jul 02, 2003, 15:13)
        Giving a shite ... (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 20:12)
        Re: Giving a shite ... (wychburyman, Jul 02, 2003, 13:40)
        Re: Footnote (Shestu, Jun 29, 2003, 16:48)
        Re: Footnote (nigelswift, Jun 29, 2003, 16:56)
        Harmonious with Nature (Shestu, Jun 29, 2003, 17:03)
        Re: Footnote (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 19:50)
      - I eat my words... (TomBo, Jun 30, 2003, 14:54)
        Re: I eat my words... (FourWinds, Jun 30, 2003, 15:56)
        Yet Again I eat my words... (TomBo, Jun 30, 2003, 16:42)
Re: Spirit of Place (Blaidd, Jun 27, 2003, 12:47)
- Re: Spirit of Place (Moth, Jun 27, 2003, 13:56)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (nigelswift, Jun 27, 2003, 14:42)
    - Re: Blackpool (Blaidd, Jun 27, 2003, 16:14)
      - Re: Blackpool (Moth, Jun 27, 2003, 16:20)
        Re: Blackpool (Blaidd, Jun 27, 2003, 16:23)
        Skeggy (Moth, Jun 27, 2003, 16:44)
- Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 16:00)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 19:02)
    - Calling Tombo (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 20:50)
      - Re: Calling Tombo (nigelswift, Jun 27, 2003, 20:58)
        Re: Calling Tombo (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 21:14)
        Re: Calling Tombo (nigelswift, Jun 27, 2003, 21:47)
        give me time! (TomBo, Jun 27, 2003, 21:55)
        Re: give me time! (nigelswift, Jun 27, 2003, 22:13)
        Re: give me time! (TomBo, Jun 27, 2003, 22:31)
        Re: Calling Tombo (Shestu, Jun 27, 2003, 22:13)
        Lucky bastards (Moth, Jun 28, 2003, 01:35)
        PPPS What is couth anyway? (Moth, Jun 28, 2003, 01:37)
        Van or Jim? (TomBo, Jun 28, 2003, 01:48)
        thread subversion rules (TomBo, Jun 28, 2003, 01:49)
        Re: thread subversion rules (Moth, Jun 28, 2003, 02:11)
        Re: thread subversion rules (Shestu, Jun 28, 2003, 05:52)
        Re: Lucky bastards (nigelswift, Jun 28, 2003, 07:47)
- Wayland's - one of the special places (FourWinds, Jun 28, 2003, 09:13)
  - Re: Wayland's - one of the special places (Blaidd, Jun 30, 2003, 14:05)
    - Re: Wayland's - one of the special places (FourWinds, Jun 30, 2003, 14:52)
      - Re: Wayland's - one of the special places (nigelswift, Jun 30, 2003, 15:48)
      - Re: Wayland's - one of the special places (morfe, Jun 30, 2003, 19:12)
        Re: Wayland's - one of the special place (FourWinds, Jun 30, 2003, 19:24)
Worcestershire Ramble part 1 (nigelswift, Jun 28, 2003, 10:28)
- Re: Worcestershire Ramble part 2 (nigelswift, Jun 28, 2003, 10:30)
  - Re: Worcestershire Ramble part 2 (Shestu, Jun 28, 2003, 18:32)
    - Re: Worcestershire Ramble part 2 (nigelswift, Jun 28, 2003, 19:08)
      - Lumped Together (Shestu, Jun 28, 2003, 19:24)
  - Re: Worcestershire Ramble part 2 (TomBo, Jun 30, 2003, 14:56)
    - Re: Worcestershire Ramble part 2 (TomBo, Jun 30, 2003, 14:56)
Re: Spirit of Place (wychburyman, Jun 28, 2003, 23:31)
- Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jun 29, 2003, 00:12)
Re: Spirit of Place (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 00:37)
- and then (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 01:03)
  - Re: and then (Shestu, Jun 29, 2003, 01:53)
  - Re: and then (nigelswift, Jun 29, 2003, 09:52)
    - Triggers (nigelswift, Jun 29, 2003, 11:02)
- Re: Spirit of Place (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 11:29)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (nigelswift, Jun 29, 2003, 12:43)
    - Re: Spirit of Place (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 20:35)
      - Re: Spirit of Place (nigelswift, Jun 29, 2003, 21:02)
        Grandpa's Gift (nigelswift, Jun 29, 2003, 21:37)
  - insecurity (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 13:23)
    - Re: insecurity (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 13:31)
    - Re: insecurity (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 14:26)
      - inexpicable ? (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 14:27)
        indespicable! (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 20:20)
      - Re: insecurity (nigelswift, Jun 29, 2003, 14:45)
    - HILL FORTS (wychburyman, Jun 29, 2003, 22:07)
      - Re: HILL FORTS (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 23:26)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 13:48)
    - Big Gay Maulers (Shestu, Jun 29, 2003, 15:39)
      - Re: Big Gay Maulers (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 19:53)
        Re: Big Gay Maulers (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 20:17)
        Re: Big Gay Maulers (wychburyman, Jun 29, 2003, 21:37)
        Re: Big Gay Maulers (nigelswift, Jun 29, 2003, 21:41)
        Re: Big Gay Maulers (Blaidd, Jun 30, 2003, 13:53)
Re: Spirit of Place (FourWinds, Jun 29, 2003, 23:27)
- Re: Spirit of Place (morfe, Jun 29, 2003, 23:43)
Re: Spirit of Place (wychburyman, Jun 30, 2003, 00:41)
- Re: Spirit of Place (wychburyman, Jun 30, 2003, 09:55)
  - Re: Spirit of Place (nigelswift, Jun 30, 2003, 10:11)
    - Re: Spirit of Place (FourWinds, Jun 30, 2003, 10:23)
      - Re: Spirit of Place (nigelswift, Jun 30, 2003, 10:45)
        Re: Spirit of Place (FourWinds, Jun 30, 2003, 10:55)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Moth, Jun 30, 2003, 20:13)
        Moth & Tombo (nigelswift, Jun 30, 2003, 20:52)
        Ripe for plucking??? (Moth, Jun 30, 2003, 21:33)
        Re: Ripe for plucking??? (nigelswift, Jun 30, 2003, 21:43)
        ooyah! (morfe, Jun 30, 2003, 22:36)
        Re: ooyah! (nigelswift, Jun 30, 2003, 23:03)
        Re: ooyah! (wychburyman, Jul 01, 2003, 18:41)
        Re: ooyah! (nigelswift, Jul 01, 2003, 19:32)
        Re: ooyah! (wychburyman, Jul 01, 2003, 23:14)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jul 01, 2003, 08:17)
        Re: Spirit of Place (nigelswift, Jul 01, 2003, 08:28)
        Re: Spirit of Place (Shestu, Jul 01, 2003, 09:08)
        Re: Spirit of Place (FourWinds, Jul 01, 2003, 10:02)
    - Re: Spirit of Place (wychburyman, Jun 30, 2003, 19:53)
Re: Spirit of Place (TomBo, Jun 30, 2003, 14:58)

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