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That's kind of irrelevent. You asked for something positive to be said. I said something positive. You then pissed all over my positivity.

About par for the course really, Geoffrey.

As far as the "obsession" with people not taking their full salaries goes, I think they were prepared to walk the walk as well as talk the talk.

Conviction politicians, see. I thought you'd approve.

So compare and contrast. Principled politicians prepared to stick to their beliefs Vs ... Well you can see what we have now. Are you suggesting that principles are nothing to be admired?

As far as your second statement goes, if they didn't expect others to be means tested in order to recieve state money, perhaps they'd get a more sympathetic hearing.

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but thank you for being big enough to apologise.

Well I was hoping you might find it in yourself to be positive about a Tory politician. It was not unexpected to find a couple of Left Wingers in your post...and even less unexpected "Militant Tendency"! This brought back some very strong memories back of Mr Hatton and the farce at Liverpool City Council in the '70's..Deggsie trying to win one over on Thatcher - no chance.
I am sorry to say that I think Unions were generally very poorly led in that era...and the results, for many industries and the public sector, which should well have been predicted, catastrophic.
Anyway..good to talk..but I dont think we will see eye-to-eye on a "left - right" debate. In fact, am I the only Tory who posts on this board?